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Wikidata list of ongoing conflicts
[edit]The following automatically generated list shows conflics that have start dates but no end date in wikidata. It is updated every 60 days. It might be useful in keeping this article up to date. The content of the table affects wikidata based infoboxes used in Wikipedia articles about wars on other Wikipedia versions, for example Databox used in Swedish Wikipedia. Please help by fixing any errors in the wikidata objects.
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Inaccurate and tendentious categorisation of Israel-Hamas war
[edit]Grouping all of the wars Israel has been involved in since 1948 as one conflict is self-evidently non-factual, tendentious and deliberately intended to inflate the total casualty count (which itself is highly dubious; hundreds of thousands!? Add up the casualties in the 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982 and then other conflicts does not come close to 300,000). The total Arab casualties in all of the wars of the Arab-Israeli conflict in the Arab-Israeli conflict article is around 90,000. If you're actually saying Israel is a "belligerent in the Yemeni civil war", and then adding all of the deaths from that conflict (given Israel has not struck back at all and is not at war with Yemen or Houthis, and has not caused any deaths in Yemen) is so obviously biased, as is calling Israel a "belligerent" in what are, in fact, unlawful terror attacks by a non-state actor. I don't know how to do a signature here so sorry User:Idontknowhowtodothissorry -- 2 May 2024 2a02:6b6d:1338:0:fd31:8c17:3cf2:3a56
Double Counting of Casualties in Israel Palestine Conflict--Casualty Rate Should Read 165,000 (110,000-210,000)
[edit]The table links to a source that includes in its casualty list deaths from the Israel Palestine conflict, but to get the final number the editors added those to the previous number thus double counting them. What's more, the source itself already double counts casualties because it includes dead from the 1947-1949 war twice.
But, on top of this, the source is confusing but is incorrectly cited. It lists conflicts with parties to them, not the casualties caused by them. Comparing the source to the pages for each of the conflicts in question produces much smaller estimates. For example, read incorrectly, the linked source suggests that some ~58,000 (60,000 across conflicts) people have died in wars between Israel and Lebanon, when even the highest Lebanese estimates are 20,000. Estimates range from 13,000-15,000 at the lower end, and 18,000-34,000 at the higher end (and that's with double counting in civilian and combatant casualties as it is !). This means that EVEN WITH THE SOURCES IN QUESTION, THE CASUALTY RATE OF THE CONFLICT IS AT MINIMUM 24,000 SMALLER, and up to 45,000!.
When we account for the double counting, this results in a reduction of 14,000-27,000--so the numbers are 38,000-72,000 smaller.
Adding up the casualty estimates provided on the wikipedia pages for each conflict, before adding the Israel-Palestine numbers gets us a range of 57-115. The Israel Palestine conflict page lists 53-65. Except, more than half of these are already included in the previous estimate. HOWEVER, even if we do not account for this we get a range of 110-168,000. Now if we add the recent Gaza war-which, again would be double counting in part--we would add 43,000.
This means that even if we triple count Palestinian casualties listed on the wikipedia pages, our total rises to 153,--210,000--and EVEN THAT includes deaths not caused by Israel, double counts many victims, counts missing as dead, and so on.
Even if we add Israelis killed in terrorism and riots (5-15,000 depending on how we count), Palestinians killed in intra-Palestinian violence (2000), The war of the camps between Lebanon and the PLO (4500--6500) and deaths in Black September between Jordan and Palestine (4000 in official estimates, but Arafat claims 15,000 Palestinians killed by Jordan, which would put the total at 16,000) we would get 15-40,000 more deaths and that would put our total at 168-250,000.
While the latter estimate is larger than the one listed on the page, this one includes 25,000 Palestinians killed by Lebanese, Jordanian, and Palestinian forces, it double counts a portion of Israeli terror victims (soldiers who died in terror attacks are listed in both war and civilian casualty estimates, and thus over state the estimates), while taking the higher estimate of those dead--thus increasing the estimate by up to 30,000.
It double counts the dead prior to 1948, it double counts the dead in the 47-49 war, it triple counts Palestinian casualties in wars since the first intifada, it counts all those who have died in Lebanese wars, even those who were not killed by Israel (indeed including even those who died in wars before Israel even got involved!), it takes the higher estimates of dead in every conflict, even where US, & Israel estimates VASTLY lower, UN estimates are much lower, and independent Arab state & Human Rights organization estimates are somewhat lower.
The double and triple counting adds 35,000-80,000 deaths. Taking the highest estimates adds 57,000.
Notably, adding together the total casualties from more reliable sources gets us 122,000 before the recent war, and then 43,000 for the recent war, bringing us to 165,000!
Notice, this brings us a very similar estimate to taking the lower estimate from all the respective wikipedia pages for each of the episodes of the Israel Palestine conflict.
Since independent sourcing leads to a similar estimate to the one produced by using other wikipedia sources at the lower end, this is a good indicator it is of reliability, especially since getting the higher estimates requires that up to 14% (35/250) - 40% (80/193) of the casualties attributed are Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians and Jordanians killed by other Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, and Jordanians, and it requires taking the higher estimate in every case, which accounts for 23% (57/250) -- 50% (58/115) of the deaths. If 55% of a casualty estimate ((57+80)/250) depends on attributing deaths of people killed by other states, and taking the higher estimate of casualties in every single case, chances are the estimate is off!
Thus, the page here: 1. incorrectly cites a source 2. misrepresents that sources claims 3. cites a source which itself engages in double counting and unclear attribution 4. does not line up with the other wikipedia pages' conflict estimates or those of their sources *EVEN AT THEIR HIGHER END* 5. to be true requires an estimate that requires 14-40% of the deaths be those caused by other states, and 23-50% of the casualty estimates are due to taking the higher range of each estimate, with a combined effect that 55% of casualties are tendentiously attributed 6. does not line up with independent sourcing
Meanwhile, another estimate (165,000), which: 1. Uses independent sources 2. Minimizes double counting 3. Only attributes deaths caused by Israel 4. Lines up with the lower estimates of the relevant wikipedia pages and their sources 5. Is self consistent 6. Strikes a moderate balance between the estimates of US, Israel, UN, Arab League, Hamas, PLO, Hezbollah, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, academics and so on 7. Lines up with the cited source for this wikipedia page *IF* considerations are taken to interpret it correctly (which would give us a base of 114-159,000, to which we would add the 43,000 of the recent war, giving us 157,000--210,000
Thus, the estimate of 165,000 lines up with the: 1. Other wikipedia pages 2. Their sources 3. Independent sources 4. The *VERY SOURCE USED FOR THIS PAGE* if properly interpreted
THUS EVEN BY THE STANDARDS OF THE SOURCES CITED THE ESTIMATE GIVEN ON THE PAGE IS INFLATED BY 50%! A FULL THIRD OF THE CASUALTIES LISTED ARE IMPROPERLY ATTRIBUTED OR COMPLETELY FABRICATED !
This does not require using Israeli or US estimates (which are *lower* than the 165,000 estimate!). In fact, it holds even if we use the estimates of Arab states (the highest ones--which would produce at the highest 210,000 as above), human rights organizations (the second highest), or scholarly academic sources (those in the median range).
US and Israeli sources would give us a total estimate somewhere near 100-120,000
UN, Human Rights organization and Academic sources give us our middle range of 165,000.
The highest estimates give us a total of 210,000.
Notice further that the middle range estimate of 165,000 is roughly the mean of the lower, medium, and high estimates. This is further indication of its validity since it balances opposed viewpoints and expertises.
Thus, the casualty range for the Israel Palestine conflict should--to be charitable to all the different perspectives and viewpoints--read something like:
Deaths:
165,000 (110,000--210,000)
Not the current 230-241,000 which is false even on its own terms!
Source used by article [1]
Other sources: [2]
I made a table of the estimates given in the source linked for this page, and added below it the estimates given by other wikipedia pages:
[10] -- 20:14, 24 September 2024 38.130.70.73
References
- ^ https://www.systemicpeace.org/warlist/warlist.htm
- ^ https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-casualties-arab-israeli-conflict
- ^ https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-of-terrorism-victims-in-israel
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Attrition
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Lebanese_conflict
- ^ https://olive-merralee-23.tiiny.site/
Change the minimum estimate of those killed in the conflict in Ukraine to 120,000+
[edit]At the moment, according to the minimally recorded obituaries on both sides, the number of deaths should exceed 120 thousand people; the information in the article is outdated: 1) 54,000+ dead on the Russian side https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/11/casualties_eng 2) 46,000+ dead on the Ukrainian side https://ualosses.org/ 3) 10,000+ civilian deaths https://ukraine.un.org/en/253322-civilian-deaths-ukraine-war-top-10000-un-says 4) there is no point in proving the number of deaths before a full-scale war, I think these numbers are already in the public domain: approximately 14,000 people
You have some 100,000 victims listed, it can no longer be such a low estimate, I ask you to remove this
Make Cambodia yellow
[edit]SSSkirmish 2604:3D09:1F7F:8B00:989C:F66D:1D2B:8807 (talk) 22:53, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
Israeli Arab war not in chronological order
[edit]The order of events are all mixed, it's not clear enough for this list Crala gema (talk) 10:29, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- All the events are part of the Arab-Israeli Conflict, they should be all together in branches. Whitesin21 (talk) 02:07, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
Inaccurate casualty numbers for the Islamic insurgency in Caucasus
[edit]Excerpt from the table:
| 2017 | Europe | Russia | 160,000+ |
However, the referenced page on the insurgency gives a much lower (circa ~500) number of casualties. The quoted number of 160k+ is mostly attributed to the two Chechen wars, which ended long before the specified start of conflict date. I propose to reconcile this row with the information on the referenced page and remove the irrelevant citation on the Chechen wars. GrapheneGolem (talk) 17:03, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- You are correct, fixed. Whitesin21 (talk) 02:08, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
Armenia not specified as a conflict party
[edit]Armenia was heavily involved in the Second Nagorno-Karabakh war against Azerbaijan and incurred further losses (September 2022 Armenia–Azerbaijan clashes) during the invasion of Azerbaijan into Armenia in 2022; however, it's missing in the casualties table entirely. GrapheneGolem (talk) 17:06, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Because the majority of the casualties occurred in Nagorno-Karabakh which is under the control of Azerbaijan. Whitesin21 (talk) 02:06, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
Corsican conflict
[edit]Can this be added? over 100 deaths and still ongoing. JaxsonR (talk) 17:22, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
- There needs to be at least one death related to the conflict in current or past year. Whitesin21 (talk) 04:32, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
Russia should be dark red, Thailand organge, Cambodia at least yellow and also Laos yellow
[edit]Since the Kursk offensive, the Belgorod incursions and other attack on Russia (otherwise the jihadist insurgency), Russia should be dark red since only the Kursk offensive made 150,000 casualties between killed and injured so at least 10,000 deaths (probably more than 50-60k killed). Also, Cambodia got lot of killed in its own territory so at least yellow and since Thai has also an internal conflict should be orange. Endricklamar (talk) 15:04, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
Update the map colors- Major Conflicts
[edit]As similarly stated by another user, some of map colors are outdated. Can the map be fixed to include all current major conflicts in maroon? I’m seeing only 5 instead of 7: Mexico and at least one of the Maghreb or Sahel countries (preferably the most war-torn) should be recolored. 24.140.204.178 (talk) 12:29, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
Latin American conflicts
[edit]Hey, a bud from the Spanish-language Wiki here. I just have a couple of suggestions regarding the conflicts in Latin America.
- There is no so-called war on drugs in Ecuador. The original article in Spanish only refers to the background of 2020 crisis (the real conflict).
- The internal armed conflict in Peru ended in 2000. The remnants of the Shining Path and other formerly Marxist groups, now drug traffickers, represent, for most specialists, a new conflict. While this is a topic of discussion on the article page, I suggest taking into account only the total number of deads since the start of this new conflict (c. 2001).
- The Venezuelan conflict should be separated from the Colombian conflict. Both are completely different, arose for different reasons, and are currently developing independently.
- The war on drugs in Mexico has also spread to other countries like the US and Guatemala. Just for your consideration.
That's all I have to say. I'm not forcing anyone to change they article, but I'd appreciate it if you'd take it into consideration. Thank you very much for your time, have a nice day. LtPsyche (talk) 07:30, 3 September 2025 (UTC)
Qatar should be yellow
[edit]6 deaths but part of Israel-Hamas war 82.116.241.95 (talk) 15:06, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
The map and Text doesnt match.
[edit]For example: Mexico , Sahel and Congo are under Major Wars in Text but map shows them under Minor conflicts. Plz update. Mayukh Mitra 123 (talk) 11:35, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
Updating the map
[edit]@President Loki I’m messaging you on behalf of the people who on this talk page including myself having been asking for the map to be updated over the past couple of months. I’d figured that since you are one of the few people who know how to edit the map that you could help give the map a much needed update based on the previous talk page requests. 24.140.204.178 (talk) 08:48, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- Done for Mexico. For the other countries, which one is separately above 10,000? Wykx (talk) 08:31, 12 October 2025 (UTC)