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Not all lagomorphs eat their own feces
[edit]The statement that "they will re-digest first time feces to obtain the most from their plant diet" is not necessarily true. Most people who keep rabbits and hares would say the statement is completely false, although I'd be willing to believe this may be because their specialized diet doesn't require it. Furthermore, pet rabbits and hares can be litter-box trained, and eating feces from litter would be fatal if done habitually for any significant length of time. While this may be something practiced by lagomorphs in their wild and feral states, it certainly isn't true of domestic ones (or at least not all of them) --Corvun 02:09, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
- Domestic rabbits eat cecotropes as much as wild ones do, and it is an essential part of their staying healthy. The main reason why many house rabbit owners believe that rabbits don’t eat their cecotropes is the fact that they are not normally excreted in the litterbox and re-eaten after you see them — but rather eaten directly out of the anus as part of their grooming ritual. Thus, it will usually seem like they are just grooming their private parts. Very occasionally, a rabbit will leave a cecotrope lying without eating it. You can regognise it through its mushiness and its somewhat raspberry-like shape. Rabbits with mobility problems (e.g., paralysed ones) may not be able to reach their cecotropes. In such cases, it is essential that one gathers their cecotropes and feeds them to them. -- Olve 03:04, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
- On this same topic, rodents also produce cecotropes, so it's something they have in common, not something that's different.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.114.137.32 (talk • contribs) .
loģ o-moŕ fs
[edit]What's this meant to be? My guess is that it's some attempt at a phonemic transcription. If so, it should be converted to IPA (as per WP:MOS). I'd do it myself but what's "loģ o-moŕ fs" meant to represent? Jimp 08:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Prolagus or Prolagidae?
[edit]In the bar to the right side of the article, it names the family containing the extinct Sardinian Pika as Prolagidae, but within the article it was Prolagus. I've now changed it within the article to Prolagidae (as I figured that would me more likely of a cantidate, considering the ending being shared with the other two). If that's incorrect, then change it back. And if either of them could be correct, that should be noted within the article. Cyril UberFuzz 20:13, 23 March 2006 (central time)
Prolagus is the genus the Sardinian pika belongs to, and Prolagidae is the family that its genus is classified in.--209.40.212.180 (talk) 10:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Not very detailed
[edit]I can speak a tiny bit of french and looked up "lapin" and then lagomorph on the french Wikipedia and the articles in that had a lot more information. I reccomend translating, then copying some articles from the french wikipedia. Wikisquared 20:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Rodent/lagomorph difference
[edit]"they will only eat vegetation (unlike rodents, which will eat meat and vegetation)"
The statement regarding lagomorphs being herbivorous seems to suggest that all rodents are omnivorous. (Obviously not all are, e.g. cavies and beavers are strictly herbivorous.) Perhaps I am just misreading that statement, but it might need to be re-phrased? - Newbie 60.242.213.223 04:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
- Unlike rodents, members of lagomorpha lack a baculum. Kortoso (talk) 18:44, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
meaning of lagos in Greek
[edit]"Greek lago-, lag-, from lagos, 'hare', which stands for Greek lag(o)-o(us)-os, and literally means 'the animal with the flapping ears'. The first element of this compound is related to Greek lagaros, 'slack, hollow', and cognate with Latin languere, 'to faint, weary'. The second element is related to Greek ous, genitive otos, 'ear'" [Klein]. http://www.amazon.com/Comprehensive-Etymological-Dictionary-English-Language/dp/0444409300 http://www.constellationsofwords.com/Constellations/Lepus.htm Would a mention of this over-complicate the article? I was always taught that the prefix refers to the ears, so this quote from an etymological dictionary seems relevant [as well as memorable?]. Ruvablue (talk) 01:42, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Comparison chart?
[edit]Does anyone think that a comparisonm chart between lagomorphs, rodents, primates, and marsupials would be helpful, or would that clutter up the article? I'd be willing to create one, based on sources of course, for example, physical, behavioral, genetic, and ecological. Please comment. Bearian (talk) 18:06, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
- I don't see a need for a comparison with primates and marsupials particularly. However, one that shows the differences between rodents and lagomorphs could well be useful, since they're often confused. Anaxial (talk) 08:52, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Differences?
[edit]In the "Differences" section, we are told of how rabbits and hares move, but not pikas. It's implied that they move differently, but that's not sufficient for an encyclopedia. Can someone supply? Kortoso (talk) 17:24, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Extinct families?
[edit]"...of which there are two living families..." begs the question, 'what about extinct families?' From a quick Googling, there don't seem to be any. So either the word 'living' should be removed, or info on any extinct families should be added. brianfreud 08:50, 13 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianfreud (talk • contribs)
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Date of lagomorph/rodent split
[edit]The intro included a statement that the ancestors of lagomorphs split from those of rodents after the K-Pg extinction event. There's a lot of disagreement on this question among the experts though, so it should still be treated as an open question for now. I thought just removing the claim made more sense than some kind of 'on the one hand... on the other hand' digression, since it's not really central to the topic.Kaficek (talk) 16:44, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Number of species
[edit]"37 species of pika, 33 species of rabbit and cottontail, and 32 species of hare": {{Lagomorpha}}. --NGC 54 (talk | contribs) 12:42, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Display problems
[edit]The infobox is badly coded and displays wrong in many ways, including a very long blank space. At least that's the case on mobile; I'll check it on desktop later today. If I knew how to fix it, I would, but I don't. Dgndenver (talk) 02:10, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- I can't see it on the desktop or mobile site. Is it an issue on the Wikipedia app? Reconrabbit 01:28, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Coverage of species: summary
[edit]- Expanded from Template talk:Lagomorpha#Needs updates.
Rabbits & hares
Species | Recognized by the IUCN? | Recognized by the ASM? | Recognized by the MSW3? | Listed at {{Lagomorpha}}? | Listed at Leporidae § Classification? | Listed at List of leporids? | Listed at Hare § Classification? | Article |
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alleni | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Antelope jackrabbit |
altamirae | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | No | Yes | Tamaulipas jackrabbit |
americanus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Snowshoe hare |
arcticus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Arctic hare |
brachyurus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Japanese hare |
californicus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Black-tailed jackrabbit |
callotis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | White-sided jackrabbit |
capensis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Cape hare |
castroviejoi | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Broom hare |
comus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yunnan hare |
coreanus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Korean hare |
corsicanus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Corsican hare |
europaeus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | European hare |
fagani | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Ethiopian hare |
flavigularis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Tehuantepec jackrabbit |
granatensis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Granada hare |
habessinicus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Abyssinian hare |
hainanus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Hainan hare |
insularis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Black jackrabbit |
mandshuricus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Manchurian hare |
mediterraneus | ![]() |
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No | No | No | Yes | Mediterranean hare |
nigricollis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Indian hare |
oiostolus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Woolly hare |
othus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Alaskan hare |
peguensis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Burmese hare |
saharae | ![]() |
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No | No | No | Yes | West Sahara hare |
saxatilis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Scrub hare |
schlumbergeri | ![]() |
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No | No | NoJ | Yes | Moroccan hare |
sinensis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Chinese hare |
starcki | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Ethiopian highland hare |
tibetanus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Desert hare |
timidus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Mountain hare |
tolai | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Tolai hare |
townsendii | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | White-tailed jackrabbit |
victoriae | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | African savanna hare |
yarkandensis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yarkand hare |
Notes
- A.^ Recognized as Lepus californicus altamirae, but notes "It is thought that the form altamirae may be independent", and it also states that it could be a subspecies of Lepus callotis, "the Altimira Jackrabbit (L. c. altimarae), presently described as L. californicus altimirae".
- B.^ Synonymous with Lepus claifornicus melanotis.
- C.^ But it notes that its 2 currently accepted subspecies might be actually 2 distinct species.
- D.^ But notes the taxonomic uncertainties between L. europaeus and L. capensis.
- E.^ But notes that "do not support the specific level of L. insularis, thus this form may be considered a subspecies of L. californicus".
- F.^ Synonymous with Lepus californicus.
- G.^ Recognized as Lepus californicus insularis.
- H.^ Synonymous with Lepus granatensis.
- I.^ Recognized as Lepus capensis schlumbergeri.
- J.^ Listed as Lepus capensis schlumbergeri.
- K.^ But as Lepus microtis.
Species | Recognized by the IUCN? | Recognized by the ASM? | Recognized by the MSW3? | Listed at {{Lagomorpha}}? | Listed at Leporidae § Classification? | Listed at List of leporids? | Listed at Red rock hare § Extant species? | Article |
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crassicaudatus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Natal red rock hare |
randensis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Jameson's red rock hare |
rupestris | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Smith's red rock hare |
saundersiae | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Hewitt's red rock hare |
Notes
- L.^ Recognized as Pronolagus rupestris saundersiae.
Species | Recognized by the IUCN? | Recognized by the ASM? | Recognized by the MSW3? | Listed at {{Lagomorpha}}? | Listed at Leporidae § Classification? | Listed at List of leporids? | Listed at their genus' page? | Article |
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Nesolagus netscheri | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Nesolagus § Species | Sumatran striped rabbit |
Nesolagus timminsi | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Nesolagus § Species | Annamite striped rabbit |
Pentalagus furnessi | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | N/A | Amami rabbit |
Bunolagus monticularis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | N/A | Riverine rabbit |
Romerolagus diazi | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | N/A | Volcano rabbit |
Oryctolagus cuniculus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Oryctolagus § Species | European rabbit |
Caprolagus hispidus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | N/A | Hispid hare |
Poelagus marjorita | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | N/A | Bunyoro rabbit |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Brachylagus | Pygmy rabbit |
Notes
- M.^ Recognized as Sylvilagus idahoensis.
Species | Recognized by the IUCN? | Recognized by the ASM? | Recognized by the MSW3? | Listed at {{Lagomorpha}}? | Listed at Leporidae § Classification? | Listed at List of leporids? | Listed at Cottontail rabbit § Species? | Article |
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andinus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Andean tapeti |
apollinaris | ![]() |
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No | Yes | NoN | Yes | Bogota tapeti |
aquaticus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Swamp rabbit |
audubonii | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Desert cottontail |
bachmani | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Brush rabbit |
brasiliensis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Common tapeti |
cognatus | ![]() |
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No | No | No | No | Manzano Mountain cottontail (redirect to Robust cottontail § "Manzano Mountain cottontail", the page on Sylvilagus holzneri, where is treated as synonymous with Sylvilagus holzneri) |
cunicularius | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Mexican cottontail |
daulensis | ![]() |
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No | No | No | Yes | Sylvilagus daulensis |
dicei | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Dice's cottontail |
floridanus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Eastern cottontail |
fulvescens | ![]() |
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No | No | NoO | Yes | Sylvilagus fulvescens |
gabbi | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Central American tapeti |
graysoni | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Tres Marias cottontail |
holzneri | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | NoP | Yes | Robust cottontail |
hondurensis | ![]() |
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No | No | NoU | No | Sylvilagus hondurensis |
incitatus | ![]() |
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No | Yes | No | Yes | Northern tapeti |
insonus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Omilteme cottontail |
mansuetus | ![]() |
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No | No | No | No | San José brush rabbit (treated as Sylvilagus bachmani mansuetus) |
nicefori | ![]() |
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No | No | No | Yes | Sylvilagus nicefori |
nuttallii | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Mountain cottontail |
obscurus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Appalachian cottontail |
palustris | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Marsh rabbit |
parentum | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | No | Yes | Suriname tapeti |
robustus | ![]() |
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No | No | YesQ | No | Sylvilagus robustus (redirect to Robust cottontail, the page on Sylvilagus holzneri, where is treated as Sylvilagus holzneri robustus) |
salentus | ![]() |
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No | No | No | Yes | Sylvilagus salentus |
sanctaemartae | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Santa Marta tapeti |
surdaster | ![]() |
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No | No | NoR | Yes | Sylvilagus surdaster |
tapetillus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Coastal tapeti |
transitionalis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | New England cottontail |
varynaensis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Venezuelan lowland rabbit |
yucatanicus | ![]() |
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No | No | NoT | No | Sylvilagus yucatanicus |
Notes
- N.^ Listed as Sylvilagus brasiliensis schlumbergeri.
- O.^ Listed as Sylvilagus brasiliensis fulvescens.
- P.^ Listed as Sylvilagus floridanus holzneri, with a link to Robust cottontail, the page on Sylvilagus holzneri.
- Q.^ But its link leads to Robust cottontail, the page on Sylvilagus holzneri.
- R.^ Listed as Sylvilagus brasiliensis surdaster.
- S.^ But notes that "recent genetic data indicate its close affiliation with the Brush Rabbit (S. bachmani), suggesting that it may represent a subspecies of that form".
- T.^ Listed as Sylvilagus floridanus yucatanicus.
- U.^ Listed as Sylvilagus floridanus hondurensis.
- V.^ Synonymous with Sylvilagus holzneri.
- W.^ Synonymous with Sylvilagus bachmani.
- X.^ Listed as Sylvilagus brasiliensis andinus.
- Y.^ Listed as Sylvilagus brasiliensis apollinaris.
- Z.^ Synonymous with Sylvilagus brasiliensis surdaster.
- AA.^ Listed as Sylvilagus brasiliensis surdaster.
- AB.^ Listed as Sylvilagus brasiliensis sanctaemartae.
- AC.^ Listed as Sylvilagus floridanus yucatanicus.
- AD.^ Listed as Sylvilagus brasiliensis tapetillus.
- AE.^ Listed as Sylvilagus floridanus hondurensis.
- AF.^ Listed as Sylvilagus brasiliensis gabbi.
- AG.^ Listed as Sylvilagus floridanus holzneri.
- AH.^ Listed as Sylvilagus brasiliensis fulvescens.
- AI.^ Synonymous with Sylvilagus brasiliensis gabbi.
- AJ.^ Synonymous with Sylvilagus brasiliensis fulvescens.
Pikas
Species | Recognized by the IUCN? | Recognized by the ASM? | Recognized by the MSW3? | Listed at {{Lagomorpha}}? | Listed at Pika § Species? | Listed at List of ochotonids? | Article |
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alpina | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Alpine pika |
argentata | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Helan Shan pika |
cansus | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Gansu pika |
collaris | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Collared pika |
coreana | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Korean pika |
curzoniae | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Plateau pika |
dauurica | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Daurian pika |
erythrotis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Chinese red pika |
flatcalvariam | ![]() |
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No | No | No | Ochotona flatcalvariam |
forresti | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Forrest's pika |
gaoligongensis | ![]() |
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No | No | No | Gaoligong pika (largely treated as a color morph) |
gloveri | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Glover's pika |
himalayana | ![]() |
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No | No | No | Ochotona himalayana (redirect to Royle's pika, the page on Ochotona roylei, where is treated as Ochotona roylei himalayana) |
hoffmanni | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Hoffmann's pika |
huanglongensis | ![]() |
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No | No | No | Ochotona huanglongensis |
hyperborea | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Northern pika |
iliensis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Ili pika |
koslowi | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Koslov's pika |
ladacensis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Ladak pika |
macrotis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Large-eared pika |
mantchurica | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Manchurian pika |
muliensis | ![]() |
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No | No | No | Ochotona muliensis (redirect to Glover's pika, the page on Ochotona gloveri, where is treated as Ochotona gloveri muliensis) |
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No | No | No | Ochotona nigritia (redirect to Forrest's pika § Black pika, the page on Ochotona forresti, where is treated as a color morph of Ochotona forresti) |
nubrica | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Nubra pika |
opaca | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Kazakh pika |
pallasii | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Pallas's pika |
princeps | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | American pika |
pusilla | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Steppe pika |
qionglaiensis | ![]() |
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No | No | No | Ochotona qionglaiensis |
roylei | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Royle's pika |
rufescens | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Afghan pika |
rutila | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Turkestan red pika |
sacraria | ![]() |
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No | No | No | Ochotona sacraria (redirect to Moupin pika § Taxonomy, the page on Ochotona thibetana, where is treated as a synonym of Ochotona thibetana or as Ochotona thibetana sacraria, but also acknowledges that it might be a separate species) |
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No | No | No | Ochotona sikimaria (redirect to Moupin pika § Taxonomy, the page on Ochotona thibetana, where is treated as a synonym of Ochotona thibetana, as Ochotona thibetana sacraria, or as a potentially recently declared new species) |
syrinx | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Tsing-ling pika |
thibetana | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Moupin pika |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Thomas's pika |
turuchanensis | ![]() |
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Yes | Yes | Yes | Turuchan pika |
vizier | ![]() |
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No | No | No | Ochotona vizierBA |
xunhuaensis | ![]() |
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No | No | No | Ochotona xunhuaensis (redirect to Moupin pika § Taxonomy, the page on Ochotona thibetana, where is treated as Ochotona thibetana xunhuaensis, but also acknowledges that it might be a separate species) |
Notes
- AK.^ But as Ochotona roylii.
- AL.^ Considered synonymous with Ochotona roylii and as Ochotona roylii himalayana.
- AM.^ Considered as Ochotona thibetana sacraria, but with note acknowledging that it might be actually a separate species.
- AN.^ Considered as Ochotona thibetana sikimaria, but with note acknowledging that it might be actually a separate species.
- AO.^ Considered as Ochotona thibetana xunhuaensis, but with note acknowledging that it might be actually a separate species.
- AP.^ As a form of Ochotona forresti.
- AR.^ Recognized as Ochotona gloveri muliensis.
- AS.^ Synonymous with Ochotona syrinx.
- AT.^ Synonymous with Ochotona huangensis.
- AU.^ But as Ochotona huangensis.
- AV.^ Included in Ochotona erythrotis.
- AW.^ Synonymous with Ochotona forresti.
- AX.^ Included in Ochotona roylii, but it notes that "it may still be a distinct species".
- AY.^ Recognized as Ochotona rufescens vizier.
- AZ.^ Synonymous with Ochotona rufescens rufescens.
- BA.^ Not even mentioned at Afghan pika § Taxonomy.
- BB.^ Considered as Ochotona thibetana sacraria.
- BC.^ Considered as Ochotona thibetana sikimaria.
- BD.^ Synonymous with Ochotona pallasi pallasi.
- BE.^ Considered as Ochotona hyperborea mantchurica.
- BF.^ Considered as Ochotona hyperborea coreana.
Sylvilagus is a veritable tangled mess. And List of lagomorphs described in the 2000s needs major changes. --Paloi Sciurala (talk|contribs) 21:06, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your service, this makes it a lot easier to see what's going on in the world of lagomorph taxonomy. I didn't even know that list existed. That looks like a better place to link or at least describe the species that are only accepted by IUCN or ASM, rather than haphazardly adding them to the lists on the respective leporid/hare articles. As for whether those articles should exist at all... I can't say one way or another. Out of all of these species one of the most concerning is pygmy rabbit - some authors have made the move to start accepting it as a member of Sylvilagus already, but where does that leave the one fossil Brachylagus? I bring it up here both because it's relevant and also because that genus page has very low traffic. -- Reconrabbit 00:23, 11 May 2025 (UTC)