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Climate change influence

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While I'll accept that sea level rise at Florida is a minor part of the attribution, it established the point of there being some climate change influence. A quick search found a lot of sources, here's one I think should be considered.
Gilford, Daniel M; Giguere, Joseph; Pershing, Andrew J (December 1, 2024). "Human-caused ocean warming has intensified recent hurricanes". Environmental Research: Climate. 3 (4): 045019. doi:10.1088/2752-5295/ad8d02. ISSN 2752-5295. . . dave souza, talk 21:31, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If it is a minor part of the topic, then it does not need to be in the lead. MOS:LEAD is to summarize the rest of the article. When climate change was added into the article, that was the first-ever mention of the term "climate change" in the entire article. That is why I removed it from the lead, and inserted the climate change mention into the Effects of Hurricane Ian in Florida article. I really don't see why that is an issue, since climate change's influence is still mentioned, just not in the lead nor parent article, given it is a minor detail, as confirmed by myself and you above. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 21:53, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How about putting it on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard’, as in HHGTTG#Fit the First? [4][5] Expect @JzG: will turn up in the next Fit. Had you thought of searching The Book the internets for "Hurricane Ian" "climate change"? It was nearly half past bedtime, and glancing at influence of severe weather on American politics the first topic to catch my eye was this hurricane. Among some of the other results, [6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14] found Time which looks particularly relevant to that topic. So it's notable to more than the Florida coast, and worth alerting WP:FTN. . . . dave souza, talk 06:43, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My problem with stating "climate change" is it's such an umbrella term. No shit, climate change exists but what exactly is the meat of the studies stating? I had the same issue when it was mentioned on Hurricane Milton because it relies on the "Climate Shift Index: Ocean" model. I have no issue sticking to the source but it's just as important understanding what a model is showing. (WP:AIES) – The Grid (talk) 16:28, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, ultimately, what the research is saying is that the latest iterations of climate change denial, including “climate has always changed” and “but you can’t explicitly link this weeks thousand-year weather event directly and solely to climate change” are, as usual, fundamentally dishonest.
The problem we have - and always have had - is that people split into roughly two groups: those who already understand that climate change drives extreme weather events, and those who scream “woke liberal bias” every time the term climate change is even mentioned. Guy (help! - typo?) 08:17, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Given the mention at WP:FTN, and the challenge to my proposal on climate change being more notable than I proposed, I am going to formally !vote oppose to having a section in this article regarding climate change. I am supporting a section for all scientific research on Hurricane Ian, since that can include climate change and other valuable research as linked above. Article size and WP:UNDUE section sizes is an issue already, with this article being 4,800 words and a split article (Effects of Hurricane Ian in Florida) being 4,000 words. The average section is 5,000 bytes in size in this article, so if a section on climate change was somehow larger than 5,000 bytes, in my view, it would be WP:UNDUE inclusions. This is why I proposed the section on all research, as Hurricane Ian was heavily researched, and bluntly, a split article could easily be created on the Research on Hurricane Ian. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 14:19, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    It's still worth working on a template to link extreme weather events to the effects of climate change on extreme weather. Right now we are fighting people who think that extreme weather has nothing to do with climate change, climate change is a hoax anyway, and has nothing to do with burning fossil fuels, and so on. Keeping it reality-based doesn't mean we need to mention it in every article, but it equally doesn't mean we have to pretend it's not a thing. Guy (help! - typo?) 18:40, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed readdition to the article

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Prior to the AFD merge, a few sentences were in the article (see old version here), which were removed due to the AFD merge.

For the sake of consensus, given there was a dispute on the content, I would like to propose the following sentence be re-added in the article: The during the hearing, it was discovered various government agencies had "regulatory hurdles, miscommunication, and burdensome administrative requirements", which made local community recovery efforts difficult. Sources for this sentence include [15][[16][17]. Since this was removed by you GreenLipstickLesbian, could you provide a detailed explanation as to why this should not be in the article? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 05:14, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All three of those articles attribute that quote to Lee County commissioner Brian Hamman, making clear that this is his opinion, not a discovery made about FEMA by the congressional hearings. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 05:21, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So, what about, "Brian Hamman, Commissioner of Lee County, Florida, testified during the hearing that various government agencies had "regulatory hurdles, miscommunication, and burdensome administrative requirements", which made local community recovery efforts difficult." Thoughts on addition of that? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 05:25, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]