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Souvenir ‘78’?

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The article maintains, “"Souvenir" features the sound of a 78 rpm record towards the end of the track.” - it may sound 78-like, but it isn’t, it’s the sound of Paul’s singing recorded on a digital keyfob; the story is here: https://www.the-paulmccartney-project.com/song/souvenir/ Jock123 (talk) 13:47, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the editor was referring to the 'groove' noise that is often present on records regardless of speed. The link you shared was a nice look at the process used to get to the finished product. Thanks! THX1136 (talk) 16:31, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2020 Archive Collection Info

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@Indopug: I think you may have been overzealous in removing the section about the 2020 Archive Collection release; you said in the edit summary that it's too long but it matches the other pages for albums with an Archive Collection release. The information isn't presented uniformly across all the articles, but it is present in all of them. Would you be against adding that back? 2601:600:C700:48F:B9A6:8C50:FD18:A799 (talk) 06:06, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IMO tracklists should be succinct. Every 10 or 20 years albums seem to be re-released in deluxe or super-deluxe or archive editions with additional tracks and videos and interviews. Being only a general-purpose encyclopedia, Wikipedia is not the place to record every single thing that features on these deluxe editions (just as we don't track the addenda on every new edition of Romeo and Juliet). As for consistency, I believe such sections should be removed for other McCartney albums as well. I am not opposed, however, to discussion in the article about the Archive ("The Archive Collection edition of the album was released in abc. It features xyz and was well received by the media etc.").—indopug (talk) 07:15, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I'm aware it's pretty standard for album articles to show bonus tracks or extra tracks released as part of a deluxe edition; I find myself regularly consulting Wikipedia for that sort of information. The article style advice page for WP:Albums even mentions how to format them at the bottom of this section. As far as I can tell this sort of thing seems to be standard practice, and it seems to me that not including this sort of material in the track listing should be a larger discussion as it would affect a large number of albums. 2601:600:C700:48F:B9A6:8C50:FD18:A799 (talk) 08:30, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that adding bonus tracks as described above is standard here. And the sections can be collapsable. Design (talk) 12:30, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and added the content back for now. 2601:600:C700:48F:D95A:B209:C35E:FA69 (talk) 01:26, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Background: "[The Beatles Anthology...]

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...was originally titled The Long and Winding Road, named after the Beatles song of the same name."

Not only is this clumsy English, to say the least, but how is this relevant to Flaming Pie? 89.10.135.104 (talk) 19:36, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nicky Hopkins on Same Love

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I'm not sure how to prove that Nicky Hopkins plays on Same Love other than by showing an image of the page of the booklet that accompanied the album that gives his name: https://musicbrainz.org/release/f841c20d-f616-47c9-a051-e02400638b87/cover-art Johnalexwood (talk) 21:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article review

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It has been a while since this article has been reviewed, so I took a look and noticed that it has uncited statements, especially the "Archive Collection reissue" section. Should this article go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 01:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

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Flaming Pie

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The entire "Archive Collection reissue" section is uncited, as well as other uncited statements in the article. Z1720 (talk) 14:57, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I volunteer to help fix this. The original nominator is a friend of mine, but he is on vacation and thus not willing to come out of retirement to fix it. mftp dan oops 16:18, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Aside from this brief statement: "the critical reaction to Flaming Pie was strong, with McCartney achieving his best reviews since 1982's Tug of War", the article lacks actual critical reviews too (aside from scores). – zmbro (talk) (cont) 20:31, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd also integrate "Album title" into another section, as per MOS:OVERSECTION. Additionally, the Personnel section there doesn't specify track duties (see WP:PERSONNEL), although I know for sure those are in the liner notes. I'll volunteer to help with that one, as it's something I routinely do anyway. The Keymaster (talk) 02:07, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's been a lot of debate recently about whether or not the inclusion of deluxe editions and copious bonus tracks is warranted in most cases, so an argument could be made that that section should just be removed, which would fix that problem. The Keymaster (talk) 02:10, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Heads up to everyone, I intend to fix this article tonight. When I'm finished, let me know if there's anything else I need to address or if I need additional refinement. mftp dan oops 20:48, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, are you fixing this article? Newtatoryd222 (talk) 14:58, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have been busier than expected, but by morning it should be close, if not completely repaired. mftp dan oops 02:03, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have now added a substantial amount to reception. There is a little more to be done, and some re-organizing, but that should not be difficult. I am going to get some sleep and will resume in the daylight. mftp dan oops 05:43, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So, before I proceed with the Archive Collection heading, I need clarification. Are these tracklists even pertinent? I know how alternate tracklists, especially for reissues, have been covered on Wikipedia has recently come under scrutiny and some changes have been made, but I've not kept up and would like some explanation on just how much I have to source, or if there's any I ought to remove. mftp dan oops 05:18, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Z1720, could you please answer the query, thanks. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:32, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • @MFTP Dan: Sorry that I did not respond to this sooner. This is a tough one for me to answer, as I think most albums have track listings and extra additions usually do not have so many extra songs. I think the information about the different editions might be too detailed and promotional. As for listing all the tracks, that might be a good question for WP:WPMUSIC or WP:ALBUM. Z1720 (talk) 13:11, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]