Talk:Dolgan language

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Hello, My name is Sam Delagrange, Sammyd840, and I peer reviewed your article. There wasn't much to review because you did a great job at putting it together so far, but I did find some areas where change could be made. I started out by making some grammatical changes throughout your article, as well as changing sentence structure. I also found a few run on sentences that I made into two stronger sentences. The biggest change that I made was a structural change to the article. Previously, you had Morphology, Phonetics & Phonology, and Vocabulary all under the Morphological Classification heading. I kept morphology under this heading, but created new headings for Phonology and Vocabulary. The reason for this is because phonology and morphology are two different things. Morphology deals with the structure of the words, and phonology deals with the sounds. I hope this helps you put together a great final article! Good luck!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sammyd840 (talk • contribs) 23:02, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The previous comment was moved from Talk:Dolgan Language. – Uanfala (talk) 14:35, 6 May 2017 (UTC) [reply]

Questions on "Дулҕан тыла"

Why is the language called "Дулҕан тыла" in the green highlighted bit? As far as I have read (Which is certainly not much, otherwise this would be a statement, not a question), Dolgan lacks the ҕ from Sakha, which would indicate that this ethnonym originates from Sakha. However, on Yakut wikipedia the name for this is Дулгаан or Dulgaan which kinda contradicts. Right now this whole thing is kind of confusing and I don't know where to start fixing (or even whether I should fix at all), especially since the change from dolgan->dulgan indicates vowel harmony in Sakha from borrowed words (as o and a dont go together, as far as I can tell.) Any suggestions? (my logic here is kinda unclear here, sorry) Бална19 (talk) 19:43, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are likely right, and the name "Дулҕан" is pretty much certainly wrong. It appears in Ethnologue 28, but Ethnologue has mistakes more than occasionally, and this is probably one of them.

The name appears "долган" in this dictionary: Словарь долганско-русский и русско-долганский. Е. Е. Аксенова, Н. П. Бельтюкова, Т. М. Кошеверова. Санкт-Петербург, Отделение издательства «Просвещение». 1992. Page 114.

The name "һака" appears in the book All the Frost Melts / Булуус да ирэр by Kseniia Bolshakova. The book was published in Dolgan, Russian, English, and Spanish. The book has personal stories that involved the Dolgan culture, and it uses the name "һака" throughout. You can find an electronic bilingual Dolgan-Russian edition. It also appears in Latin transliteration "haka" in Dolganischer Wortschatz, Marek Stachowski, Jagiellonian University, Krakow, 1993, page 93 (that whole book is in Latin, but it's a scientific book; as far as I know, Dolgan texts are always written in Cyrillic).

Given this, I am removing "Дулҕан" and adding "долган" with these sources.

I've also marked "Дулҕан" as "deprecated" in Wikidata, for what it's worth. I mean, it does appear in Ethnologue 28, so I guess it can be mentioned there as "deprecated" for structured data's completeness, but it's probably better not to mention this wrong name in Wikipedia at all. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 01:36, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Population numbers

There are two different numbers and both considerably contradict ruwiki. --Altenmann >talk 03:48, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]