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Please do not add ABS-CBN in the brand name of DZMM. For more info please see DZMM Manila Radio Division -hollyckuhno (talk) 21:13, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 14 April 2023

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Reverting undiscussed move, unopposed for 7 days. (closed by non-admin page mover) MaterialWorks (contribs) 10:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

DZMM-AM → DZMM – There is only one station that carries this callsign and it's this one. Also, this is the only callsign created on Wikipedia. SeanJ 2007 (talk) 09:59, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Robertogamerxxx: who made the original move away from DZMM in 2016. 162 etc. (talk) 18:48, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@162 etc.: The user you ping does not yet reply until now. I will answer instead your question, looking through the page/pagelinks of DZMM, no user has shown who performed the move on the DZMM page. SeanJ 2007 (talk) 08:11, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Aren't they technically different stations?

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I ask out of curiosity: was the station DWWW legally the continuation of DZAQ? Image2012 (talk) 09:43, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge DWPM into DZMM

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A proposal to merge DWPM into DZMM was initiated in May by KuyaStephenAlaEH: The Metro Manila station on 630 kHz that used the DWPM callsign reverts back to the old callsign (DZMM) at 8 PM (Philippine time) of May 29th as per relevant wiki policies on radio station callsigns. This will ensure a linear continuation of a station's history rather than having a divergent article that ultimately had a short lifespan. I'm opening this to facilitate discussion. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 17:30, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What actually is the policy? All history under one callsign on one article? Or is it by frequency or branding? Howard the Duck (talk) 20:41, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have reference also that DZMM is still DWPM based on the latest NTC listings but some guillable IP editors keep on reverting. Supercrumblesph (talk) 14:33, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This doesn't really answer my question above, but this does fall into WP:OFFICIAL. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:42, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@RandomMe98 223.255.224.98 (talk) 14:48, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support merging DWPM to DZMM whilst keeping the DWPM title, Anyone who knows DZMM knows that at one point it carried under a different callsign (which is DWWW, before it eventually revived in 1996 albelt at another frequency). This article reminded me of DWSS which although branded as DWAR Abante Radyo, the same latest NTC listing shows that DWSS is still the original callsign of the latter. Tententenny (talk) 02:31, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Selective merge DZMM doesn't exist as a callsign, but rather as part of the station's branding. Since 2023, the frequency is under a different ownership and different callsign. So it would make more sense if we merge all the events from May 29, 2025 onwards to DWPM. SBKSPP (talk) 02:07, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    This would technically create both a "duplicate" and an article overlap where there has two callsigns but similar branding which could fall into WP:DUPLICATE. If you look the history of DZMM it did had a different callsign and station owner because of Martial Law, but there is no seperate article of DWWW during its ownership with RPN, instead its the IBMI's DWWW article that was originally called DZBM (although that particular article mentions that the callsign DWWW was taken from this station during RPN's ownership).Tententenny (talk) 02:05, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Tententenny No, this is not an issue of WP:DUPLICATE at all. And I don't see an article overlap since there's a difference between DZMM under ABS-CBN and the current DZMM in terms of ownership and management.
    DWWW was the pre-shutdown DZMM's predecessor, but it's the callsign of 774 kHz since 1996. But, both of them have separate articles. And so should DZMM and DWPM.
    From 1986 to 2020, the frequency was fully owned by ABS-CBN and DZMM was used both as its callsign and part of the station's branding. When ABS-CBN's franchise was expired in May 2020, DZMM ceased to exist as a callsign.
    Ever since the frequency went back on air in 2023 under the DWPM callsign, it is owned by PCMC, which co-operates the station with ABS-CBN via joint venture. By the end of May 2025, DZMM was revived for branding purposes.
    Therefore, merging all the events from May 29, 2025 onwards to DWPM really makes more sense. You can never change my mind. SBKSPP (talk) 06:30, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Did you pull the idea from Wells Fargo (1852–1998) and Wells Fargo? If thats the case from your side, then lets put the timeline of DZMM from May 29, 2025 to DWPM, and have a title change on this article from DZMM to DZMM (1986–2020). You must add Template:About to the DZMM article to prevent confusion. It should be something like this.
    This article is about DZMM from 1986 to 2020. For the radio station that is presently branded as DZMM, see DWPM.
    Also the date of June 29, 2025 you mentioned is incorrect. The rebranding occured on May 29, 2025 where DWPM ended their Radyo 630 and TeleRadyo Serbisyo branding after finishing the airing the simulcast of TV Patrol.
    Do be note that this may or may not be able to stay up for much longer, as there are two scenarios.

1. If there is fellow Wikipedian flags that article up for merger again, it would be another discussion that i sure it will just wasting time arguing.

2. Future NTC listings, if the callsign of 630khz was officially changed to DZMM this would effectively made the DWPM article redundant. Tententenny (talk) 07:27, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Tententenny It's beyond the past happenings of Wells Fargo and Viacom. I made a long explanation about the difference between DZMM under ABS-CBN and the current DZMM as a brand under DWPM. To add, DWPM is not owned by ABS-CBN and the frequency was off the air three years before PCMC bought it. Prior to PCMC's acquisition, the frequency was assigned to Baycomms under Provisional Authority.
And I know that the rebranding occurred on May 29, 2025. Editors sometimes tend to make mistakes and jumble up dates. No need to tell me that.
Going back to the article, inserting the Template:About to DWPM is needed as a clarification. I even stumbled upon DWPM's counterpart article in Tagalog and the template is also indicated there.
And one more thing. We cannot dictate PCMC's future plans for the station. Therefore, they have no plans of bringing back of DZMM as its official callsign. SBKSPP (talk) 08:42, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just to say about that "Baycomms under Provisional Authority" thing. That source is from a Facebook page that has no credibility which is already a red flag as per Wikipedia:RSPFACEBOOK. The paper was seen black and white which hints that it might be a hoax. Many of the NTC documents are shown in color (and the latest 2025 listing is shown with color). For me i do think the frequency was still vacant during that time until PCMC was eventually assigned by the NTC for the 630 kHz. Tententenny (talk) 09:00, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Tententenny The info was from the 2023 listing from NTC. So what if it's black and white? 2019 listing from NTC is also black & white. Whether the listing is in color or black & white, that shouldn't be made an issue at all. Both of those were requested and accessed by some editor via FOI years ago. And thanks to that editor, I was also able to secure both of those copies. The 2023 listing states that the frequency was assigned to Baycomms under Provisional Authority. And it's truth. So you have no choice but to accept that. SBKSPP (talk) 00:10, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My bad, citation 33 was the one in the list, however it seems that link is dead (and seem to be never been archived in Wayback Machine). However i should point at one point there was a edit on regards to the article which WayKurat removed because it "was not true at all" Tententenny (talk) 01:22, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Because that's an FB link, not the listing itself. Now that the link is dead, you're lucky if you have a copy of that listing from that year. SBKSPP (talk) 00:47, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DWPM is still the callsign

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The source is already mentioned that DZMM is still DWPM base on the recent NTC listing (June 2025), but 143.44.165.22 keeps on reverting. Calling the attention who added the source, Supercrumblesph. I tried to report on Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#DZMM_vs._DWPM_callsign, but they said to discuss it here, then WP:DR if it still continues, if failed, WP:ANI. 120.29.89.116 (talk) 10:57, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Despite the calls for him not to revert to his edits, that IP did not get it. I just hope he realized that he did the wrong thing. Supercrumblesph (talk) 13:05, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We might consider protect this page from some intruding their edits. Supercrumblesph (talk) 14:36, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I reported it instead at WP:DRN. 120.29.89.116 (talk) 04:24, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]