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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination. Discussions: No consensus, 9 August 2011, from Chris Brown (American entertainer) to Chris Brown, see discussion. Not moved, 7 September 2012, from Chris Brown (American entertainer) to Chris Brown (entertainer), see discussion. No consensus, 2 July 2013, from Chris Brown (American entertainer) to Chris Brown (American singer), see discussion. Moved, 15 August 2013, from Chris Brown (American entertainer) to Chris Brown, see discussion.

Chris Brown has now won 5 billboard music awards, not 4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joszy6 (talk • contribs) 22:10, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The phrasing in the paragraph detailing browns assault of rihanna is neutral to the point of inaccuracy. It obfuscates reality and serves to excuse Brown of abuse.

"Brown and his then-girlfriend, singer Rihanna, had an argument that escalated into physical violence, with Brown causing Rihanna visible severe facial injuries."

What is the justification for framing this act of assault as a argument between two equal players? Why the use of passive voice "the argument escalated", who escalated it? Who committed the violence? This is a clearly biased phrasing that serves to remove culpability from Brown. Burntbread36 (talk) 02:53, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Um no that's exactly what happened. Yourewrong1996 (talk) 00:02, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/24-25/100/section/18 Change "The charges against Brown for the alleged assault on Diaw carry a maximum penalty of 16 years in prison." to "The charges against Brown for the alleged assault on Diaw carry a maximum penalty of life in prison." 82.36.67.194 (talk) 19:16, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the sentence entirely. Why? The press reports are incorrect as the statutory maximum is life as you noted. The top end of the sentencing guidelines is 16 years (see here). The press reports seem to have decided—or, perhaps copied from another press source who decided—that the top end of a sentencing guideline is a "maximum" which is incorrect and misleading to readers. Just taking the top end of the sentencing guideline and saying it is a "maximum" gets worryingly close to assuming that the evidence presented to the court is likely to be such that the judge will conclude that the top end guideline ought to be applied. Those are questions of fact to be determined at trial though. WP:BLPCRIME advises that "editors must seriously consider not including material ... that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured for that crime". It's in keeping with this principle that we do not defer to showbiz hacks on matters of sentencing law (as a quid pro quo, I'm reasonably confident that the editors of Archbold's or the Sentencing Council (etc.) would show similar deference to the learned opinions of showbiz journos on who had the best outfit at the Met Gala). Replacing it with "life" is technically correct—in as much as it reflects what the statute says—but is also likely to be misleading to readers because a life sentence is rather unlikely without either lots of aggravating factors or the application of the dangerous offender provisions. Well, original research, for one thing, and also probably something that is outside of the remit of an article on a popular American R&B singer, and a topic which is covered at length in the article on Sentencing in England and Wales and which could be discussed better in the article on GBH which is linked from the relevant passage of this article. Wishing to avoid misleading the lay reader or inject original research, the least bad option seemed to be to remove the sentence. —Tom Morris (talk) 11:52, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Morris The civil lawsuit was dismissed, article has to be updated — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jogginger (talk • contribs) 12:48, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Unacceptable Bias in Article Language

I recently came across User:The One I Left edit to the Wikipedia page on Chris Brown, particularly the phrasing: "In 2009, Brown faced significant controversy and media attention when he severely beat singer and then-girlfriend Rihanna."

While the event itself is obviously a significant part of Brown’s history, the use of the term "severely beat" seems to violate Wikipedia’s Neutral Point of View (NPOV) policy. According to Wikipedia guidelines, language should be presented in a way that is neutral and avoids emotional or biased terms.

I kindly ask that you revise this phrasing to ensure compliance with Wikipedia's editorial standards. This is crucial to maintaining the integrity of the article, as well as the broader credibility of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.213.37.96 (talk) 13:08, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I listened and while I mainly disagree that it violates NPOV, I did rephrase the wording, changing it from "severely" to now "violently", since the later is used in the reliable sourcing (The Los Angeles Times, NPR, CNN, NBC etc.) to describe the assault.The One I Left (talk) 14:01, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've amended the wording to instead focus on the felony assault charge he plead guilty to. The charge and guilty plea is not subject to any bias and is the correct legal terminology. Furthermore, the state of California, where this incident occurred, doesn't classify assault by degree. So implying severity in the first sentence might across as biased and/or cross the line into OR to contextualize the charge in terms degree/severity classifications that are used in some other states. Isjadd773 (talk) 14:29, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The wording in your sentence isn’t ideal for Wikipedia, as it can be seen as emotionally charged and may violate the neutrality policy. The phrase "violently beat" carries a judgmental tone, which doesn't align with Wikipedia’s goal of presenting information in a neutral and impartial manner. A revision focusing on factual and legal language avoids strong emotional language and centers on the event itself, allowing readers to form their own conclusions based on the facts. If you'd like to include legal details or additional context, mentioning charges or legal consequences would be appropriate, but the focus should remain on neutrality without relying on emotionally loaded terms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.213.37.63 (talk) 14:09, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. "violently beat" is a perfectly legitimate phrase since it's based on the reliable sourcing. It's factually what happened based on photo evidence, legal proceedings, the admission of guilt on his part, and journalistic reporting. There is no judgement, it's just reporting what happened since there is no dispute that this wasn't a violent beating or assault. We should go by what the reliable sourcing says. Open to other opinions.The One I Left (talk) 14:13, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]