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Antonov An-325 was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 6 May 2017 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Antonov An-225 Mriya on 3 June 2017‎. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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Interview with a soldier who was on site when artillery struck next to Mriya

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Status vs. Type

There have been a few back and forth edits 1, 2, 3, 4 by at least 3 editors regarding the status of the aircraft on the basis of if the article is referring to an individual aircraft or an aircraft type. Rather than continue the back and forth - it is time to bring it to discussion so this can resolved once and for all.

ZLEA stated in both of their reversions that the AN-225 is an aircraft type, rather than an individual aircraft - and that is the basis for excluding the destroyed status of the aircraft in the short description. While a second airframe had been partially built, all efforts to complete it had been abandoned many years ago. Other than the mentioning of that fact - the entire remaining portion of the article is written from the POV of the now destroyed aircraft as being the only one, being referred to as the Antonov An-225, vs. a or an. The article needs to be consistent one way or the other with regards to this.

Until/unless a second one is built and made operational - I am confident in the single-instance POV for this article, and as such am also confident that reflecting the status as having been destroyed is the correct one. As much as the world may wish for it - there have been no efforts or initiatives by either the Ukranian or Russian governments, nor by Antonov to complete the second airframe - and is known in the aviation community to be a lofty and prohibitively expensive goal. The Ukranian government has only once verbalized that Mriya will be back, and that it would be bigger and better - which historically would result in a new designation (See Globemaster. An-250, 500 and 1000 have been rumored - all paired with Mriya II).

As always, I am open to the input and consensus of others. Picard's Facepalm (talk) 14:36, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can't believe we are debating a short description. These are not even seen by readers, except when doing a search on Wikipedia and then only to disambiguate internal search results. Short descriptions should be as short as possible to discern this from other possible topics returned in a search. - Ahunt (talk) 14:49, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry if this reply seems a bit off, while I was writing it my userpage was attacked by a very persistent vandal. I agree with Ahunt that this shouldn't be a problem, but since it is, here's my reasoning. First, the An-225 is an aircraft type that was never intended to be unique (that only happened due to a lack of funds after the Buran program was canceled). Second, it is still too early label the type as a whole lost, as there is still a 60-70% complete airframe that was never officially abandoned (work on the aircraft, while excruciatingly slow, was still ongoing as late as 2009, well after the Buran cancellation), and Antonov has stated its intention to complete it after the destruction of the first aircraft. You are right that neither the Ukrainian government nor Antonov have attempted to complete the aircraft, as it probably isn't wise to attempt to retrieve it in the middle of a war, and the government likely cannot divert any funds from the war effort.

And finally, I do not recall the Ukrainian government voicing any intentions to build a "bigger and better" Mriya, so if you can point me to that statement that would be great. If that is the case, however, we cannot assume that it will be classified as a different type. For example, the Boeing 707-320C can be said to have been bigger and better than the 707-120, as it had more powerful engines and a stretched fuselage, but both are variants of the same type. The rumors of a new designation are pure speculation, and as of right now there is no evidence that Antonov is working on or planning an unrelated "Mriya II" type aircraft. - ZLEA _T\^C 23:54, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to go ahead and concede to this - as I don't know what the heck I was thinking at the time. I was conflating/substituting short-desc for infobox in my head, and apparently for an extended period of time. Oy. I agree that the short-desc doesn't need this delineation. Sorry about that. Maybe I need to start drinking coffee... Picard's Facepalm (talk) 14:48, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Detailed documentation of 225 and mission in Bolivia

Samsung channels Wonder channel Steel Monsters series has a lengthy video which details the design and operation of the 225 carrying a cargo of 12 flights to Bolivia over the Andes. 193.116.105.18 (talk) 22:34, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]