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Cleanup
[edit]I made some bold removals as uncited opinion such as:
Most modern character-encoding schemes
When was this written? Unicode is the only modern encoding system in use today;ASCII has practically speaking been replaced (because of limited language support), e.g. with extended ASCII encodings, and most recently by Unicode (which supports all languages); its ASCII-compatible UTF-8 encoding (which is dominant on the web). ASCII only supports English (and few minority lanuages) and doesn't handle e.g. many loan words or given names of all American people.
because- "limited language support" is not the reason why ASCII was replaced;
- "extended ASCII" is a misnomer for ISO 8859-1. We should not feature errors in the lead, given that the true story is in the body;
- the reference to UTF-8 is way too detailed for the lead.
- replaced some instances of {{cite journal}} that I guessed used to be {{cite document}} (which atm redirects to cite journal). I guess someone is doing a cleanup in preparation for releasing cite document to do what it says on the tin. I used {{cite techreport}}, which is not ideal but {{cite standard}} has other issues.
- I severely edited
Despite being an American standard, ASCII, unlike e.g. modern UTF-8 or other extended ASCII supersets, doesn't support symbols such as the cent, ¢ (or €, ©), though it does support the dollar, $.
.- UTF-8 is entirely irrelevant in this context
- € is not a US native character
- ¢ is the only really serious omission but I suspect that this was another case (like ~) where the designers hoped it would be met by backspace and overtype.
- © is just one of many symbols in common use that are not supported. So we give all or none.
- Middle English: predates 1776, I think? Anyway, just makeweight.
Obviously WP:BRD applies but anyone reverting needs to reinstate the CS1/2 fixes I applied.
An observation: the lead should summarise the body but looks to me to be thin on the technical content? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 17:07, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
For the claim that "Kaypro CP/M computers used the 'upper' 128 characters for the Greek alphabet"--which is tagged as needing a citation--I could not find a clearly reliable source. Pac Veten (talk) 01:12, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
Need better choice for diacritics
[edit]The word resume seems to be a poor choice as an example of the need for diacritics
https://novoresume.com/career-blog/how-to-spell-resume DGerman (talk) 20:36, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- I read that word entirely wrong and was confused until I spotted the word `career' in the provided link. Yeah, people ignore the spelling if the context is right... I suppose I mostly wonder if you have a better example. Vollink (talk) 20:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Old Latin
[edit]I'm not confident about this, but wasn't Old Latin written with a subset of the alphabet without diacritics? As opposed to Archaic or Classical Latin. DAVilla (talk) 02:11, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Change the google topic to capital letters.
[edit]Please capitalise. 183.87.191.150 (talk) 16:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- We aren't in control of that. Remsense ‥ 论 16:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
ASCII-8
[edit]The story for IBM System/360 is that, at the time, there was a proposed ASCII-8 standard that they could have used instead of EBCDIC, but the standard was never approved. It was not just ASCII-7 with new characters, but, using the stick notation, some of the sticks moved up. That could be mentioned in the 8 bit section. Gah4 (talk) 11:51, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- I think the proposal was to insert an extra digit into ASCII at the 2^5 place, so that binary xxxxxxx turned into xx0xxxxx. I have no idea why IBM was in favor of this, though a guess is that they wanted to put 64 control characters at the start? All 8-bit extensions of ASCII add the extra digit at 2^7, ie 0xxxxxxx. Spitzak (talk) 19:15, 17 November 2025 (UTC)