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WRC27 or WRC2027

Is the planned new car regulation notable enough for its own article yet? Some sources from just today:

Plus what has been discussed for two years: https://www.wrcwings.tech/2025/05/07/wrc27-what-we-know-so-far/ Rally Wonk (talk) 21:45, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Dirtfish

I finally got impetus to start this. There is a lot of source material and with the headings I've added think it will be easy to populate a useful article with a little care to not write like an advertisement. Please help if you wish; category banners, infoboxes and that kind of thing would be useful. I can come back to prose later.

Don't forget "-site:dirtfish.com" in searches! Rally Wonk (talk) 15:12, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Now live - Dirtfish Rally Wonk (talk) 21:00, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WRC pages

Hello! I just joined WikiProject Rally today, but I've already been editing and creating pages for international rally races. And I've noticed that for several years editions now the WRC simply doesn't have any pages for the international races. I don't know why no one has created one yet. However, I realized that I am the only one creating these pages, I have already created 5 alone (although the race report part be kind of bad). So, isn't there anyone to help me? There are a lot of pages to create and it takes a long time. And I'm also not sure if eWRC Results is a good source, since I kind of rely primarily on it and Independent WRC Archive(juwra.com). Jose the Engine (talk) 21:50, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jose, event report articles are not my strength but glad that you are taking them on. I don't know how others feel about this with consistency but I advise against using "rally racing" and "races" (grinds my gears but more importantly it's a no-no at the FIA, so not common here in Europe but I understand it's common in America).

EWRC and Juwra are great and trusted, and I may be the minority again here, but if the articles only serve to copy their information, then I'm not sure if the articles need exist - which is probably why they hadn't been created before. Wikipedia is not a database. If you can add something though, great. Good luck and enjoy. Rally Wonk (talk) 22:21, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete List of World Rally Championship people

The list is unimprovable IMO. It's largely unsourced and unsourcable (eg. current WRC commission is not public, but the listed one is demonstrably out of date). Sourcable names in the FIA administration and commissions can go on World Rally Championship or FIA with the relevant text that explains who they are and/or why they are notable. There's a lot of red links under 'so what' names (engineers). That, rally officials and media personnel could be 100,000 names long; those who belong on Rally.TV, DirtFish etc can go there, there's no article for Absolute Rally, a defunct podcast etc. The drivers and co-drivers list have their own lists anyway.

Pinging recent editors for thoughts. @Prolog, Pelmeen10, Andrew Omega2, Blakegripling ph, Unnamelessness, and DH85868993: Rally Wonk (talk) 17:01, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not agree. Full list of WRC commission then is not important and don't need to be listed. But Solberg as WRC Commission president can be mentioned. There are only 3 teams, it's not gonna be too long and only notable can be mentioned. WP:NLIST is met. People - juwra.com. Google helps a lot with sources, took only 5 seconds to update FIA Rally Director for example. Absolute Rally podcast? Yeah that's probably not important. Pelmeen10 (talk) 21:36, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can't agree with Juwra making it NLIST. People is the navigational part of the website. That making "List of WRC People" notable is not right. Rally Wonk (talk) 22:41, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Check [1] Pelmeen10 (talk) 15:27, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What for? List of WRC other people? Rally Wonk (talk) 17:36, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of WRC team managers, List of WRC engineers, List of rally officials, List of WRC journalists - do you prefer seperate page for each of them? Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:20, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, but I'm still at a miss as to who they're for when WP:NOTDIRECTORY and other things. Maybe the groupings and inclusions can be verified, but I'm not sure why you feel this list contributes to the state of human knowledge (WP:TOOBROAD). There'll always be too many red links, unlikely to be written about. Even Juwra's list of journalists is two names long, only one of which has any meaningful writing and neither have articles here. Rally Wonk (talk) 19:59, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Luckily journalists can also be found with Google. And Dirtfish. Pelmeen10 (talk) 21:01, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Again, what for? Why are these lists needed? How does an uninvolved reader use them? Because they can be verified shouldn't be the answer.

I'm grateful for your replies, if I'm sounding pushy it's not with anger or disdain. Rally Wonk (talk) 21:13, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you trying to Wikilawyer? The page is literally only 15k bytes and you are talking about too broad and too long. Drivers and co-drivers are perfectly summed up from those humongous lists. Others WRC people do not even reach 100 people. That said where else would you find the managers, engineers, administration, journalists? That is the contribution to human knowledge. What would be the point to create seperate lists for each of them if all these people fit just fine in 1 page? You don't care what people are involved within the sport, well thats just WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Pelmeen10 (talk) 21:36, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:TOOBROAD means the scope of the list is too broad to be useful, which is the root of this entire conversation.

I sink quite a lot of my time into improving WRC and motorsport articles, including writing about people and in the past few days have spent several hours of research and writing on one notable WRC person alone. I'm a volunteer like everybody else, so it can't be said that I don't care who is involved in the sport, it's only that I don't understand how any reader uses the information in these lists, other than treat it like a category. Maybe an acceptable use case could be seen as 'somebody could learn the list of engineers and recite it at a poetry evening'. I was hoping for examples, nobody has answered, and it seems that you can't thus the, unfair IMO, reply.

You ask where else could you find such a list/s, but I can only return to my question, who needs the list/s? Because if you were looking for information on team managers, why wouldn't you look to either WRC, season pages or the team's articles first? And the DirtFish journos at DirtFish, the Rally.TV folk at Rally.TV? Who really needs this/these standalone lists?

It's interesting you think the drivers and co-drivers lists are 'humongous' and need summing up.

Thank you for engaging when others didn't and you didn't have to either. I think all has been said. Rally Wonk (talk) 00:39, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's called "FIA Rally Commission" now. Sure it's not public? Pelmeen10 (talk) 21:43, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The rally commission is a separate, WMSC committee, commission. Each of the world championships' commissions bypass the WMSC committee, reporting directly to the WMSC. Mud as it clear is ;) Rally Wonk (talk) 22:06, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know there are 18 rally drivers in FIA Hall of Fame (FIA Hall of Fame)? Pelmeen10 (talk) 22:16, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

?

There is List of World Rally Championship drivers and List of World Rally Championship co-drivers. They can presumed to be "WRC people" there. Rally Wonk (talk) 22:25, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are free to AFD it and see where it goes. Unnamelessness (talk) 01:25, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have done here. Rally Wonk (talk) 18:02, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Bochnicek

Well, the driver Richard Bochnicek has 1 podium in the competition which was in Rallye du Maroc. However, according to eWRC Results, he has only 4 starts in the WRC. So, should he be included in the List of World Rally Championship drivers list even though he has 1 podium, but only 4 starts and knowing that the minimum is 5? Jose the Engine (talk) 22:57, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I advise you to be bold and edit what you see to be wrong with lists like this. Sobiesław Zasada drove in 2021 too, at 91 years old, I remember that. There will no doubt be many, many things wrong which is why I think I dislike these lists. Unreliable, unmaintained, and with radical dynamic source information (numbers and statistics) that Wikipedia is not built for. Rally Wonk (talk) 23:11, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are a lot of things wrong with this list. For example, Stasys Brundza has 21 starts instead of 19, or that Rosemary Smith not being on this list is a crime. I think I can edit it to include drivers with more than 3 starts or at least who were in the top 10. I'm sure they probably don't include some starts, I don't know why, or it might be because juwra.com is the primary WRC source on Wikipedia, that's why the race articles from the 1973 edition are so incomplete. That's why I prefer the eWRC Results Jose the Engine (talk) 01:53, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a point to lower the number of starts. "5 starts or points finish" would be fine. One would need a paid subscription in ewrc, which I don't have. Would be nice if someone properly cleans the page. Pelmeen10 (talk) 21:48, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Toyota Gazoo Racing entrants

We have been linking both Toyota Gazoo Racing WRT NG and Toyota Gazoo Racing WRT2 invisibly (example [[Toyota Gazoo Racing WRT|Toyota Gazoo Racing WRT NG]]) in rally articles to Toyota Gazoo Racing WRT (which is a big no-no) and there is no explanation what they are. Though, there is a section #Driver development program. NG - next generation? I haven't familiarized myself with all the Toyota stuff, but we should make direct links, and never invisible links. Pelmeen10 (talk) 20:23, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]