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You do realize you are actively deleting factual information just because you do not agree with, align with or otherwise support the source data? You're actively making wikipedia incorrect.

If one airport does not list a destination, and there are no active flights for a long period of time, the route isn't flying. Sources don't work like that in the airline industry most of the time.

Likewise if a regional carrier starts flight a route, said route that has proven flights and active flights, won't get a 'source'

Again, you're actively ruining airports Wiki's and credible/factual information based on actual data or sources, but you refuse to allow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.252.250 (talk) 01:10, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Everything on Wikipedia must be verifiable. Where’s the ability for readers to verify this information if there’s no source provided? Danners430 tweaks made 06:31, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/ENY3348/history
Pretty verifiable to me that this route is actively running on American Eagle and a source.
No 'sources' you qualify are going to write about AE flying DFW-TPA, so you are by default limiting your source material and subsequently making Wikipedia incorrect at the same time. 65.32.252.250 (talk) 00:35, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@65.32.252.250: Hi, I wouldn’t say I’m “actively ruining airports Wiki’s,” I stated why it was removed in my edit summary. Everything needs a source and a flight tracker is not a reliable source, it’s pretty much WP:SYNTH. We need to find sources for everything, this has been discussed numerous times at WP:AIRPORTS. Thank you. (VenFlyer98 (talk) 17:30, 9 July 2025 (UTC))[reply]
I would very much say you are actively ruining the validity of airports/destinations pages on Wikipedia. You are actively deleting/not allowing factual information with 'sources' and therefore inherently making Wiki incorrect.
There will never be true new site sources for regional airline route pick ups or even some brand new flying of routes, that's just the nature of media and airlines.
The fact you have a full month plus of factual data (https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/ENY3348/history) that a route TPA-DFW-TPA is flying on American Eagle but yet is not a credible source that is also literally able to be fact checked.
Likewise with the removal of seasonal flights that are and have not flown/flying in years. Re; NK RIC/CHS/ORF etc.
So yes, you are actively making the website less factual and more incorrect 65.32.252.250 (talk) 00:33, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@65.32.252.250: Well, I'm sorry you feel that way. I know it's hard to find sources for routes, especially ones that have been flying for a while, but as I said you need sources per WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT. Flight trackers can be considered unreliable since flight numbers change and that would eventually make the source out of date. This doesn't meat WP:RS. Thank you. (VenFlyer98 (talk) 05:48, 11 July 2025 (UTC))[reply]
Especially those that have been done for decades this guy is absolutely ridiculous! And we need to show it to the fullest extent possible because he is just an overzealous editor who is simply out to overuse unnecessary actions to feel powerful and in control rather than actually engage with you in good faith. 2601:40D:8202:ECA0:DC11:8E13:D727:C6B0 (talk) 02:01, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Overusing citation needed on seasonal destinations the dodging conversation with "read this" and "read this" tabs.

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Within the last few months so many seasonal routes for airlines in airports have been constantly cited with "citation needed" links. This is nonsense because these destinations have been served for DECADES and people have even tried to tell you this and you keep saying "read this" or "read that" rather than give good faith explanations in your own words.

We aren't saying citations aren't important although we are saying that this overzealousness is unnecessary and it actually hinders credibility and it also discourages genuine contributions form others which results in projects and their quality getting damaged. And if you don't agree on something wikipedia is a place for real conversation not just blunt responses like read this or that and instead to make an effort in engaging with those that The things too is citations aren't always possible especially since the vast majority of these routes you're have been served since the 1990s.

The ironic thing is that this is only for certain airports like O' hare and Newark while with others like Detroit Metro, Baltimore, Dallas Fort Worth and LAX don't have any of those silly citation needed tags. Gymrat16 (talk) 02:18, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Citation needed tags are used for content which is in an article and which is missing a source, as a pre-cursor to deletion to try and encourage the addition of sources instead of simply removing the content wholesale. If you disagree with the use of CN tags, then I suggest either raising a complaint at the template talk page, or adding the requested sources. Or would you prefer the unsourced content be removed? Danners430 tweaks made 09:07, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
i know what citation needed tags are used for and i am not saying they shouldn't be used i am simply saying that they should only be used if it is actually needed rather than slapping them on for every little thing Gymrat16 (talk) 12:11, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok then - was there a statement with no citation? Danners430 tweaks made 12:17, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
i am confused with what you're trying to ask Gymrat16 (talk) 23:58, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Was there a statement in an article without a citation? If the answer is yes, then a CN tag is warranted. It’s that simple. Danners430 tweaks made 05:27, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Gymrat16: And the tags were on destinations that didn’t have citations. Thus, a citation would actually be needed, no? Again this has been discussed at WP:AIRPORTS. That’s the reasoning, I shouldn’t have to explain it more. Don’t call me ridiculous or overzealous, because I’m not and I’m sorry you feel that way. Just don’t WP:PA, please. (VenFlyer98 (talk) 20:30, 12 August 2025 (UTC))[reply]
If you think this is a personal attack i am sorry maybe it is the fact you're too soft and should get thicker skin. It is impossible to add citations to EVERY little thing since these places have beens served for decades. This is absolutely ridiculous and saying "I am sorry you feel that way" is basically another way of dismissing those around you and only going by your own selfish wants and desires and don't want to engage further because you know you're being tested and it isn't working well for you. If you can't handle discussions like these and you use terms like "personal attacks" when no personal attacks are even being made at you then maybe you shouldn't be on wikipedia and shows that this is indeed more on YOU than me or anyone else. I am usually someone who does work well with other people for the most part but when people as dismissive and oversensitive as you then that is what can sometimes set people off including me. And when you try to argue something don't always say "read this or that" actually explain yourself verbally Gymrat16 (talk) 23:37, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
65.32.252.250: even tried to say to you "There will never be true new site sources for regional airline route pick ups or even some brand new flying of routes, that's just the nature of media and airlines".
So it is clear that I am not the only one that is frustrated with your lack of understanding, obliviousness and stubbornness and resorting to dismissive remarks to exonerate yourself. Gymrat16 (talk) 23:45, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Gymrat16: I’m not sure I understand why you are so upset. As I verbally mentioned, there were discussions previously at WP:AIRPORTS and it was decided that destinations need verifiable sources (which is what is stated by WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT). Telling someone to go read those is not avoidance. If you go read it you’ll realize what the policies and recommendations are which is that everything should have sources. CN tags are for things without sources. I really think you’re making this a bigger problem than it is and I’d appreciate if you stop painting me as the bad guy. Oh, and I’m someone with perfectly thick skin, friend. (VenFlyer98 (talk) 02:25, 13 August 2025 (UTC))[reply]
It actually is because I told you to explain things in your OWN words because I did look at WP and it didn't feature anything you're suggesting. And judging by what you've been saying it doesn't seem like you have thick skin "friend" because those with thick skin wouldn't whine about being labeled as the "bad guy" when that is absolutely NOT the vibe. The only reason why this is a "problem" is you dodging reality and the reality is never did anyone call you the "bad guy" you are incompetent at actually having a healthy discussion and stop framing yourself as a victim of unfair treatment because this kind of behavior is exactly what frustrates people. And with me specifically, That’s a classic deflection move. Instead of engaging with your actual points, you're trying to reframe the conversation around your emotional state as if your tone is the problem, not your own behavior. It’s patronizing and dismissive to what others like myself try to tell you. And I have been trying to ask you why is this only applied to certain airports and not ALL? Gymrat16 (talk) 13:26, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, let's dial down the personal attacks. Discuss edits, not editors. Danners430 tweaks made 13:30, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Explain how this is a "personal attack". I simply called out his flaws and to encourage him to actually make real points of his own and not make himself out to be a victim. Gymrat16 (talk) 13:36, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said - comment on the edits, not the editor. Danners430 tweaks made 13:38, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I DID comment on the edits. Edits an editor made. Gymrat16 (talk) 14:34, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Gymrat16:, stop: comments like you dodging reality you are incompetent at actually having ahealthy discussion, trying to reframe the conversation around your emotional state are all casting aspersions at best and are in fact violations of the no personal attacks policy. Consider this an official warning. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:19, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why? I am NOT doing anything wrong and if me calling out his this is considered a "personal attack" then i am sorry you guys make this site an absolute joke and this is why people quit. This so called "warning" plays into the exact problem I am reporting: a culture where being direct is punished more than being evasive. I am calling out an editor for specific patterns of behavior dodging proper discussion and inconsistent enforcement and execution instead of actually dealing with anything for the better, I get slapped with a meritless "personal attack" warning just because I didn’t sugarcoat my words.
Calling him out for refusing to engage my points and lack of cooperation and calling him out for stonewalling certain things i ask is NOT a personal attack.
A personal attack would be calling someone "too dumb to edit" or calling them an "idiot" or something which is NOT what was being done here. Gymrat16 (talk) 00:23, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Completely agree, the wiki pages are completely unusable due to the repetitive tags after each and every destination. To the point where I just keep a private list now instead of referencing the wiki page. Complete and utter eyesore. 2600:1700:3360:FFD0:1C35:8158:1C35:1321 (talk) 01:44, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well there’s two simple solutions to that then - add sources to content that should have had a source in the first place, or remove the unsourced entries and keep a partial list. Which would you prefer? Danners430 tweaks made 06:59, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
the question is though is why did this become a problem only this year? I am confused because for decades places have been served and regardless of full time or seasonal, those that had been around for sometime didn't have citations on every single one and that was only applied for the newer ones. Gymrat16 (talk) 14:23, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps it’s because it’s then that these editors (myself included) became aware of these pages - it’s likely as simple as that. Danners430 tweaks made 14:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
only within the last few months? Gymrat16 (talk) 14:46, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I add new pages to my watchlist all the time - do you start your Wikipedia journey with the entire encyclopaedia on your list of articles you’re looking at? Just giving an example here, but I’ve been removing WP:PLANESPOTTERS from articles over the last month, which has made my watchlist grow massively - and I haven’t looked at any of the articles before then. Danners430 tweaks made 14:55, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...so who wants to trigger the SPI for this IP edit that mysteriously arrived at VenFlyer's talk page only to comment on this one discussion with no other contributions? nf utvol (talk) 17:54, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In the spirit of assuming good faith, have we looked at the /64? IPv6 addresses are even more likely to be very dynamic... Danners430 tweaks made 18:17, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I clicked on that IP and checked the geolocation of that IP and it isn't even in the same location I am in so I don't know how that can be me. I have always used one account which is this one and always will. Gymrat16 (talk) 18:18, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GPIA

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Hey, as an employee at Glacier Park Intl Airport I really appreciate your contributions our page - keeping it up to date. I was pleasantly surprised how accurate the information was, as someone who deals with the terminal expansion and knows the airline routes pretty well. Thank you. 72.250.189.44 (talk) 15:27, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, you’re welcome, and thanks for the kind message! (VenFlyer98 (talk) 15:34, 14 August 2025 (UTC))[reply]

Kuwait International Airport

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Hello, This page has cities with unnecessary disambiguations such as Abu Dhabi, Cairo, and Mumbai with have multiple airports. Need your input? A discussion was started at WT:AIRPORTS. Thanks! 72.251.152.227 (talk) 12:14, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for fixing!

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Thank you for fixing my citations, was trying to find a way to fix. 😂 Ryanaviator (talk) 20:39, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]