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July 2025

Welcome to Wikipedia. Unfortunately, content you added to Paraiyar appears to be a minority or fringe viewpoint, and appears to have given undue weight to this minority viewpoint, and has been reverted. To maintain a neutral point of view, an idea that is not broadly supported by scholarship in its field must not be given undue weight in an article about a mainstream idea. Feel free to use the article's talk page to discuss this, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 01:14, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Paraiyar, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources to see how to add references to an article. Thank you. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 04:06, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You need to cite a source for any claim you make in the article, particularly for statements such as They have invented the TamilThamizh Tamil script by indicating the birds animals and it's sound. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 04:08, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Paraiyar, you may be blocked from editing. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 04:47, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ChildrenWillListen, I will go through all the guide line and learn the things and keep update sir.

Thank you Sathasenthil (talk) 05:46, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Paraiyar

The maintenance template you added took up too much space, so I moved it to the talk page. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 07:05, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ChildrenWillListen,

I am Sathasenthil, from TamilNadu-India belongs to the great ancient Tamil family Paraiyar, trying to update the Paraiyar and its related tiled pages all over India and Sri Langa. This is one of the ancient families among four( Paanan, Paraiyan, Thudiyan and Kadamban) in Tamil ancient time, to bring these pages as a reliable source with clean content we need a reference from Tamil literature books Tholkappiyam, Purnananuru, Silapathikaram etc... The actual pages of the Tamil community(family) all over India and Sri lanka have been influenced by Sanskrit authors' books, wiki users of indo-aryan(Sanskrit) background who violate the entire Tamil History, culture, literature, tradition, gods etc... in wiki pages even though Tamil is a distinct language from Sanskrit. Because of the violation facing so many issues in real life all over India and Sri lanka. The reference documents written in great English by the great writers and readers are of Sanskrit.

The confused statement of Robert Caldwell(foreigner), Srinivasa Aiyangar(Sanskrit) and Gustav Solomon Oppert( foreigner-Sanskrit) in Paraiyar page and it's the related pages of wiki just try to say Paraiyar and it's many subdivisions are only a drum beater and a slave.
It is not concluded by any of the writer, their statement in the documentary books itself confused so that the writer of the wiki page also getting confused, because they are neither a Indian origin nor a Paraiyar(Paraiyan, Pariyaa, Pariah, Paharia, Parair, Pahariya, Parahiya, Paree, Pariyar, bara, barai etc...., thousand of subdivisions all over India and Sri Langa).
In India there are many Dravidian regions named by the authors Robert Caldwell(foreigner), Srinivasa Aiyangar(Sanskrit) and Gustav Solomon Oppert( foreigner-Sanskrit) in their books, but the name Dravidian is not in any Tamil Literature : There are South Dravidian, Northern Dravidian, Western Dravidian, East Dravidian and Central Dravidian. The Sanskrit background wiki page editor refers only to those books and points out that South India is only Dravidian region. It affects the archaeological history of Tamil influence in North India. It has been a recurring mistake for a long time.
Gustav Solomon Oppert is saying Paraiyar is a "Hillman". It is partially correct (not only a Hillman), we have to consider Tolkappiyam(epic poem) . There is a lot of information in Tamil sangam literature and the evidence of Tamil script in Hills and language Tamil.
Poombarai village(பூம்பாறை கிராமம்-Pūmpāṟai kirāmam)Parai Murugan Temple (பறை முருகன் கோயில்-Paṟai murukaṉ kōyil), The Parai Murugan Temple, also known as the Kulanthai Velappar Temple, is a Murugan temple located in Poombarai village, about 20 km from Kodaikanal(Hill station) in Tamil Nadu, all Murugan Temples are in Kunru It's renowned for its ancient statue of Lord Murugan.
Tolkappiyam(epic poem) is the starting point of Tamil language history,culture etc.. and we need to consider the Old Tamil languages. The sanskrit users of wiki make editing on this page mixing sanskrit info vivolating the page, wasting time and effort of Tamil editors.
George L. Hart's analysis and agreed ancient Tamil literature Purananuru poem translation is incorrect in Paraiyar wiki page itself, to update i could not find any book with correct Translation of Purananuru poems in English, it cause a recurring errors, example, European vocabulary to mean the ‘ostracised’. https://indianexpress.com/article/research/pariah-why-the-name-of-a-tamil-dalit-caste-entered-european-vocabulary-to-mean-the-ostracised-10045194/
Tamil|Tamizh(correct pronunciation) is a distinct language, don't confuse the Sanskrit history and its culture with the Tamil, old Tamil, middle Tamil, current Tamil languages. It is confusing in all wiki pages.
The term "Dravida" has its roots in Sanskrit, While "Dravidian" is often associated with the Tamil language and culture, it's not solely a Tamil word.
Dalit" is not a Tamil word. It originates from Sanskrit and late Marathi (Indo-Aryan language) meaning "broken" or "oppressed". Dalit is a vernacular form of the Sanskrit दलित (dalita). In Classical Sanskrit, this means "divided, split, broken, scattered".
In India Dalit Politicians are standing out against Sanskrit language and its Hidndu varna system, but they themselves use Dalit(Ambedkarite, they don't know the meaning, it is just because of Dr.B.R.Ambedkar used). It causes recurring mistakes, for example, European vocabulary to mean the ‘ostracised’. In India all Ambedkarite must be understood to overcome the root cause of the issue.
We are Tamil|Tamizh(Paanan,Paraiyan,Thudiyan,Kadamban and thousends of subdivisions), We are neither the Dalit nor the Dravidian.
In India and Sri Lanka we are called Dravidian or Dalit by the Indian politicians but Indian Government Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes.
As Indian constitution principals we are Indian citizens, we are neither the Hindu nor supporters of Hinduism.
Hindu Varna system is not an Indian official document, it is not part of the country's legal or administrative structure. Wiki User:Ankitak03/sandbox, Jad Mada/Hinduism and and Giveaway285(blocked user) created "Own work" image as Indian Caste System.jpg uploaded on 2017-08-27.
There are two images about Hindu varna.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varna_(Hinduism)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalit
Image url : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Indian_Caste_System.jpg#filehistory
Question: 1. Every ten years will they introduce a new Varna and update?
Question: 2. Is wiki encouraging indo-aryan sanskrit background users for vivolation Tamil History?
Question: 3. How many gods are there for indo aryan(Sanskrit) in india?
Question: 4. India is a Union of States and there are many languages. The system of varna is only from Sanskrit (Indo-aryan languages) then, How can it be for all Indian people? Tamil is a distinct language from sanskrit. How can it be applied for Tamil people?
How can it be applied for Tamil origin lives all over india in different Diravidian regions?
Why don't you ask the right questions of indo-aryan(sanskrit) users before updating their content in wiki?
Because of the indo aryan-varna system every citizen in India is affected, they are moving to different Religions (Christian, Buddhism, Muslim and Jain). These different religions also have been affected by Varna because these religions mixed with the indo-aryan sanskrit people. That is the only one reason we are fighting against the varna system.
The core Indian citizens who are fighting against the varna system are declared as outcasts by indo-aryan(sanskrit).

Tamil |Tamizh Family(Kudikal) chart, it is not a caste system. It is a family hierarchy as in the below chart.

Explanation:

This below is my full name that explains the hierarchy.

Lord Siva
Lord Muruga
Paraiyar(ancient family name)
Sathan(family name)
Veeran(great-great-grandfather)
Ramasamy(great-grandfather)
Renganathan(grandfather)
Selvakesavan(father name)
Senthilkumar(myname)

Sathan/sathu/saathu/cittan/chattan/sathanaar(Pronunciation differ.) is a family name under the ancient dwelling(குடியிருப்பு-Kuṭiyiruppu-Citizen) name Paraiyan from Pruananuru, it is not a caste in ancient time, we could not find the word caste in any ancient Tamil literature, it is a dwelling(குடியிருப்பு-Kuṭiyiruppu -many family)(குடி-Kuṭi single family) There are four name of citizen (குடி-Kuṭi) in ancient time, current castes of Tamil and Dravidian regions as mentioned in point no 2 and its languages and its current caste comes under the parent root of four ancient family {Paanan, Paraiyan, Thudiyan and Kadmban (குடியிருப்பு-Kuṭiyiruppu - four family, குடிப்பட்டம்-Kuṭippaṭṭam-family names)}. In ancient Tamil literature Cilappatikāram, the Hero Kovalan has the surname Sathan(Maasathu- a big sathu or a great sathu or an elder sathu). Some chettiar communities have this surname(family name).
Note: The Name Sathan-சாத்தன் understood in foreigner as "Devil", In Tamil it is (சைத்தான்-Caittāṉ-Divel). So don't get confused.
Nattar is the surname of Heroine Kannaki, It is under the umbrella of Paraiyar and the surname in Kallar, Nadar communities and many in TamilNadu.
Sevukan is one of the surnames of Paraiyar umbrella, Tamil Valaiyar community also has the same surname.
Valaingan surname(Prumpaanatur Padai Tamil literature) is under the Paraiyar umbrella, surname Valaiyar is in one big ancient community in Tamil Nadu.
Esan(ஈசன்-Īcaṉ), Sampattiyar, Thinnaithiraiyar are a surname of Paraiyar umbrella, also in Kaller(Esa-anttu-kallan), sampatiyar,Thennaithiraiyar community in TamilNadu.
Panikan|panaikar, veeraiyan are a surname of Paraiyar umbrella in TamilNadu, also in Maravar community in TamilNadu. In kerala and Karnadaka Paniyan (also spelled Paniyar or Paniya)
Ambalam Kudi|Ambalam is in Paraiyar umbrella, this is in Kallar, Valaiyar,Naddar(Nanguneri) and many more in Tamil Nadu.
Kaniyar, Kaniyan are in Paraiyar umbrella in TamilNadu, as panikkar, Kanyan in kerala.
Iyar/Iyan/Ayyan is in Paraiyar Umbrella TamilNadu, It is in kerala Pulayar
Kadamban is in Paraiyar Umbrella in TamilNadu, It is also in karnataka and Andhra Pradesh.

Final conclusion ,

Parai- HillMan, (AthiKudi-"முதல் குடி" Ancient First Family), Lord Siva or Lord Muruga, are living in the Hillstation(Kurunji) Land. who has written the Tamil Script, make the Tamil Letters. The Tamil Language is implemented by Lord Muruga and Lord siva. one who speaks a first language, old Tamil.
Parai- Hill or Mountain area
Parai- convey message to people
Parai -speak, make music, make sound by human
Parai - Talk by music music.
Parai - Dog The hunting dog with lord shiva, it is native dog
Parai - Native (ஆதி)
Paraiyar-Native Family( ஆதி-குடிகள்)(all its related names in India and Sri lanka).
Parai- Name of ancient durm (This can be played by any one who have the ability and wisdom)
Parai - cave
Parai- cave dweller in ancient time

It will be a great appreciation for not mixing the Indo-Aryans language Sanskrit's history, culture, caste system, literature, gods into the great distinct language Tamil , removing false varna new image Indian_Caste_System.jpg and maintaining varna caste system are only related to sanskrit and it supporter and speakers, it is not for entire Tamil people who live in the world as a Tamil Origin.

Thanks,

Sathasenthil Sathasenthil (talk) 08:09, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The image you mentioned (Indian_Caste_System.jpg) isn't used anywhere on the English Wikipedia, so there's no point removing it. There's no other specific edit request here, so I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with all this information. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 08:22, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ChildrenWillListen,

Thanks for the early response..! you just mouse over click on the below URL in en-wikihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalit

File:Indian Caste System.jpg#filehistory Sathasenthil (talk) 08:51, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't see that. Anyway, if you want to argue for that to be removed, you have to do it in this talk page. A tip: summarize the above text as much as you can, and include only the relevant details, because it is a lot to read and is fairly confusing. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 08:59, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ChildrenWillListen,

Dear WillListen, could you please click on the below ling, this is the original Indo-Aryan Sanskrit varna!,

Varna (Hinduism) , then what would be the reason in Dalit with five varna page , click on the image file you will redirect to history of file, what are the languages this file is used. Sathasenthil (talk) 08:57, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @ChildrenWillListen, If you are not able to answer my questions escalate the e-mail to your reporting manager. That will be good for discussion. Sathasenthil (talk) 09:03, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a reporting manager, and neither do any of the editors here. Wikipedia is run by volunteers, that is, people who choose to do this for free. None of the donations reach us and go to a separate foundation that keeps this site running. Sending things to the donation email wouldn't do anything since they contact people who are not involved with editing. I do admit that I'm not extremely familiar with this topic, and neither are most people here, but you could try asking at the Teahouse for help, since it'll reach a wide range of editors, and hopefully people who are acquainted with this kind of stuff. I do note that the Tamil language has been subject to several pseudoscientific, nationalistic and wildly inaccurate claims before, so you may encounter some (rightful) pushback. You have made such claims yourself too; "They have invented the TamilThamizh Tamil script by indicating the birds animals and it's sound" is extremely fringe. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 09:14, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @ChildrenWillListen, you just leave this one, "They have invented the TamilThamizh Tamil script by indicating the birds animals and it's sound". let us discuss it later...!

All the conflict and confused information are in wiki page itself ! it is looking like a duct pin, your all are controlling this page, removing the content. it needs only citation and reliable resources!. Sathasenthil (talk) 09:35, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sathasenthil: As I've said before, you should ask the Teahouse about this. A lot of people would read it if you put it there. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 09:39, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ChildrenWillListen, Thanks for the information. have a great day..! Sathasenthil (talk) 09:49, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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