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DYK for Bdóte

On 9 February 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bdóte, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Bdóte, an area of sacred significance to the Dakota people, centered on the confluence of the Minnesota and Mississippi rivers, was also the site of their forced exile from Minnesota? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bdóte. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Bdóte), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you for your diligence, integrity, and long-standing commitment to improving Indigenous content on this encyclopedia. Yuchitown (talk) 16:09, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

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		To Oncamera on the occasion of the Minneapolis FA being kept. Thank you! -SusanLesch (talk) 17:51, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baryshnikov

Hi,

If the citizenship only should be stated, why the citizenship of the USSR where he spent most of his life is not listed? And also I have seen many times that a person is "Georgian" (not "of Georgian descent") when they never possessed the citizenship of Georgia.

Peutro (talk) 07:49, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore so no one has citizenship there. He currently has Latvian and American citizenship. See MOS:CITIZEN. The article introduction 2nd paragraph say he was born into a Russian family as the manual of style states to do. oncamera _{(talk page)} 17:28, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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March 2025 - Reverting edit of Wes Studi article

Hello Oncamera. Regarding this edit where you reverted the deletion of the Nationality parameter and contents in the Infobox of the Wes Studi article, please review and internalize the following. First, the Wikipedia rules in WP:INFONAT nullify your improper reversion. Per Wikipedia precepts the Nationality parameter cannot be used in the Infobox at all, at any time. Further, in this case the Citizenship parameter cannot be used, as WP:INFONAT reads in part: "Omit when this [Citizenship] can be inferred from the birth country (almost all cases)." Second, per Studi's article lead, he is Native American the Wikipage of which reads: "Native Americans (also called American Indians, First Americans, or Indigenous Americans) are the Indigenous peoples of the United States." If you have other edits using Nationality or, otherwise, violating WP:INFONAT, I suggest that you correct them. Please do not further ignore Wikipedia maxims and continue to revert the subject edit which will result in loss of editing privileges and being blocked for (1) violating Wikipedia's WP:INFONAT rules, (2) apparent vandalism, and (3) for violating Wikipedia's rules on reverting. Trusting in your compliance, regards, Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 07:43, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Native Americans are citizens of their nations per MOS:NATIONALITY. Just because he was born in the USA is not sufficient to explain that he has dual citizenship in the Cherokee Nation. His Cherokee nationality is also important to his career as an actor. Use the article talkpage to discuss your changes instead of edit warring. oncamera _{(talk page)} 08:20, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It was not edit warring as I was correct, and you were warring to my edit. The talk page was unnecessary as I was correct with a stated reference to WP:INFONAT. You ignored my edit summary.

Per the Constitution, persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside, but we don't list state citizenship in the Infobox. MOS:NATIONALITY deals with the lead: "Native American and Indigenous Canadian status is based on citizenship, not ethnicity. Indigenous persons' citizenship can be listed parenthetically, or as a clause after their names". It does not say that it is listed in the Infobox. Further, Subnational citizenship supports this as tribes are Subnational. As it states, "In addition, tribal sovereignty affords members ("citizens") of federally recognized tribes ("nations") a status comparable to local citizenship." We don't list local citizenship in Infoboxes.

The lead, Early life, and other contents of his article clearly show throughout his citizenship in the Cherokee Nation and his nationality including in regard to his career as an actor. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 16:01, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To User:Quaerens-veritatem, Native American tribal citizenship has long been included in the Citizenship parameter because it cannot "can be inferred from birth country". Not all citizens of U.S. federally recognized tribes are citizens of the United States, so tribal citizenships with additional citizenships are listed in the Citizenship parameter. MOS:INFONAT clearly states: "Citizenship or nationality can be noted if dual. ..." Yuchitown (talk) 15:46, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Yuchitown. My edit deleted the Nationality parameter. See my reply to oncamera regarding the Citizenship parameter. Although I believe that my synopsis is correct as to Citizenship, from your information that it "has long been included" it seems that I may have an uphill battle that will consume my time and may be difficult to win no matter the logic, so I will leave it be for now. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 16:09, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. And I've noted the need for tribal citizenship to be moved from the "Nationality" parameter to the "Citizenship" parameter and begin implementing that in my own edits. Yuchitown (talk) 16:19, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Mohegan-Pequot language page

Hello @Oncamera, I hate to bother you at this time, but some beef is really happening between me and User:Alexnewmon2623 on the Mohegan-Pequot language page. He thinks that since the phonology source has not been "up to date", it should be deleted and cancelled for the public to see. And he thinks just because he is a member of the Mohegan tribe, he has the right to delete all of it. This is pure entitlement, and in my opinion, should be discussed with other users first before any decision is made. If you could join him (and me) in the talk page of the language, and share your perspective, that would be great. Thanks. Fdom5997 (talk) 03:38, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

He should be reported to the 3RR page and banned for edit warring. He's been warned numerous times to use the talk page. oncamera _{(talk page)} 06:24, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just did yesterday, and he is officially partially blocked from the page, but now he keeps on whining and getting desperate and keeps on claiming that the info is “misleading” and “incorrect” and “outdated” and that he is “deeply concerned” with the presence of it. And he is begging to be “unblocked” from the page to the admin who blocked him from the page. Take a look on his talk page at the bottom. He just can’t learn how to take a loss. Fdom5997 (talk) 03:49, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dakota language page

Hi, I'm EllaMinnowPea371. Please forgive me for being forthright, but I noticed you reverted this edit of mine on Dakota language, so I am here to avoid engaging in an edit war. I understand the potential ambiguity when ethnonym and autonym are identical, but I act on precedent; many language pages have this same issue and still only bold the autonym (such as Cayuga language and Tuscarora language, and also some good articles like Czech language and Khmer language). I personally believe the title (__ language) and the phrase "...is a language" in the first sentence are enough to reduce ambiguity, but I would like to know why you disagree so I can reconsider making these sorts of edits.

Many thanks, EllaMinnowPea371 (talk) 04:35, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In the info box and opening lead sentence, it says "Dakhód'iapi, Dakȟótiyapi", which means Dakota language. The word Dakota refers to the Dakota people in the language. The sentence structure and grammar of the Dakota language should be respected when writing about it even in English. oncamera _{(talk page)} 05:15, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I guess we're just going to disagree about this. What about Denaʼina language, where the autonym (native name) for the language literally means "Denaʼina (people) language"? Plenty of language articles also have an exonym (non-native name) as the leading word or even title because that's the most common name, so sorry that I don't see why a literal gloss of the autonym is necessary in the first sentence. EllaMinnowPea371 (talk) 05:24, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm only familiar with the Dakota language, are you? Or are you making these mass changes without understanding the languages you edit? Your way of blindly using a template is not the way to improve Wikipedia in this case. oncamera _{(talk page)} 06:05, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry but I still don't understand your reasoning. My goal in these edits is to have consistency in style across articles. Again, for a lot of languages, the autonym literally means "(Ethnicity) language", not just Dakota; in fact, given their relationship and Lakota's autonym, I would guess this is true for Lakota as well. Why should the Dakota language article have special treatment (a literal gloss of its autonym in bold in the first sentence) when that is not the precedent and its sibling does not? EllaMinnowPea371 (talk) 06:14, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lead sentences usually contain the name of the article in bold per MOS:LEADSENTENCE. The template you're using is only an example page, it's not a manual of style rule or guideline. Can you refer to the actual MOS guideline you're using to make these mass changes? oncamera _{(talk page)} 06:38, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is absolutely true, but as far as I'm aware not every section of the MOS applies to every page, and as of now all the language Good articles and most language articles in general do not bold "____ language" in the first sentence, and instead use the form "XXX is a (family) language spoken in ____" or something similar. Should this be changed across all language articles? If so, I think this needs to be a larger discussion, as this is how most articles are now. EllaMinnowPea371 (talk) 14:40, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:CONLEVEL. The MOS overrules anything a wikiproject may come up with as their own way of doing things.

Per WP:MOS: This Manual of Style (MoS or MOS) is the style manual for all English Wikipedia articles (though provisions related to accessibility apply across the entire project, not just to articles).

It's already generally accepted that the article title is bolded in the opening sentence of the article per MOS:LEADSENTENCE. You can attempt to change that policy, but seems very unlikely to be changed as it's a basic standard practice for many years now. oncamera _{(talk page)} 22:21, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, are you willing to open a discussion to change all the articles that currently have only the language name bolded? This needs to be a large effort to change all the language articles to comply with MOS in this way, as most language articles currently do not bold “language” in the first sentence. EllaMinnowPea371 (talk) 02:59, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm not interested. MOS agrees with my revert so there's nothing more for me to add to this discussion. You're the one mass editing against it, possibly because you were not aware. I don't want to spend my time reverting all the changes you've been doing. oncamera _{(talk page)} 07:00, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]