User talk:NoTimeForUs

Your citations needed edits on the N1 (rocket) page.

There are some cites on the page that refer to a book by James Hartford called "Korolev: How One Man Masterminded the Soviet Drive to Beat America to the Moon" and in that book, the details of the way the KORD worked are explained extensively. I have read it. The book is cited in the article, but the details are not quoted. I suggest you buy the book and read it. before adding erroneous "citation needed" tags everywhere when the book is a reliable reference. Many senior editors long before you had no problem with the current article before you came along and added all those tags due to a lack of knowledge. Tito Jugoslavchenko (talk) 22:11, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I know full well this book that I have read 2 times, and here are all the portions of the book that discuss KORD:

P.294: "During liftoff, in the interval between seconds 3 and 10, a spurious command issued by the KORD system [KOntrolia Raketnykh Dvigatelei, the system for controlling the rocket engines] shut off the A [first stage] unit’s LFREs [Liquid Fuel Rocket Engine] Nos. 12 and 24, which were performing well. [...] It was, in fact, because of the inadequacy of engine testing, and the bald fact that lack of time and resources to develop bigger engines had dictated the use of a large number of small engines in the first stage, that the KORD system had been devised."

Then P.295: "In order to cut off malfunctioning engines situated opposite each other, a special system was provided for monitoring their operation [KORD]. Unfortunately, that system was not able to react to the rapidly occurring processes [for example, those which precede the explosion in the turbopump assembly’s oxygen pumps]. But such defects would have been eliminated during the final development testing of the individual LPREs and checked for during those engines’ delivery tests.”

P.298: "At 51 seconds, when the angle of turn reached 200 degrees, the KORD system issued a command that cut off all engines of the first stage."

Here above is the full extract of all portions of the book that mention KORD, and it is NEVER said that:

1) "KORD controlled the rocket". In fact it did not, it ONLY was designed to shut engines off. Differential throttling had nothing to do with KORD. The book confirms this.

2) "KORD was replaced on 7L due to lack of reliability". This is obviously wrong, KORD was present on 7L and even shut down the 6 central engines, which is confirmed by Tchertok.

So me [citation needed] is pretty much useful, the current chapter should simply be removed from the article as it is plain wrong. NoTimeForUs (talk) 22:48, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The KORD did control the thrust of of the engines, it is well documented, how else do you think they are controlled ? KORD literally meant "control of the rocket engines" it was not just an engine monitoring system, do not get into an edit war because you lack knowledge. You have never read the James Harford book, those are not quotes from the actual book. Come back to me on that when you have actually read the book, you are just quoting online nonsense. Tito Jugoslavchenko (talk) 01:49, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, I have the book litterally on my desk. Are you kidding me ? I even provided the pages, what more do you need ? I litterally opened to book and copied what is written on the pages.

- "how else do you think they are controlled": glad you ask the question: it was with an analog controller attached to the NK-15 that are visible on the RGANTD images of the NK-15, which are themselves controlled by an analog computer for 3L, 5L and 6L and by a digital computer on 7L. KORD was under Tchertok responsability (OKB-1) while control of the engines were shared between Pylyugin and Kuznetstov.

Please come back to me when you'll have the basic knowledge about this program. This is getting ridiculous. NoTimeForUs (talk) 01:59, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In Tchertok memoirs, "Rockets and people vol.4", page 426 about the N1-7L flight:

"And what about the KORD system that my comrades and I spent so much effort on? Over the course of five years of stand and flight operation, all the KORD system equip-ment had finally achieved a high degree of reliability. All the experts agreed with this."

Page 433: "“We are confident,” answered Degtyarenko. “The presence of the on-board digital computers has enabled Pilyugin and me to develop a new program for the first 30 seconds. Immediately after the rocket lifts off the launch table it doesn’t just go upward, but also to the side of the launch facilities. The control system has an inhibit that won’t allow a single engine to shut down regardless of what KORD demands. Even if one of the engines or its turbopump assem-bly explodes, the remaining engines will still manage to pull the rocket a bit farther away and the launch site will not be harmed. We have already tested this inhibit in flight during the previous launch.”"

Page 442: “The KORD system issued no emergency signals to shut down the engines before 106.7 seconds into the flight. This once again confirms the normal opera-tion of the propulsion system." NoTimeForUs (talk) 02:22, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's "Chertok" (i.e. Черто́к) There is not TCH" in russian, how do I know I speak russian and you don't. Also Ukrainian and Serbo-Croatian. Three Slavic languages compared to your none. Nothing you claim means anything. The S-530 controlled N1 vehicle 7L, there was no KORD, it was an analogue system that used thermionic valves, it literally weighed tonnes compared the more compact and lighter more compact digital S-530. Read James Harford's book before you peddle nonsense. Tito Jugoslavchenko (talk) 02:32, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

7L had both the S-530 and KORD, as detailed by Черто́к in his memoirs. They don't have the same role.

I've litterally copy-pasted his memoirs here where he discussed how KORD was prepared for 7L and how KORD behaved during 7L flight. What do you want more ? NoTimeForUs (talk) 02:36, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad you finally admit KORD was on 7L, and does not control the rocket. Admitting mistakes when showed evidence is a proof of intelligence. NoTimeForUs (talk) 03:17, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For your information, I have asked for a resolution of dispute here, you're free to contribute: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Summary_of_dispute_by_Tito_Jugoslavchenko NoTimeForUs (talk) 20:43, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]