User talk:Hew Folly
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Formal warning, GS/AA
[edit]Hi Hew Folly. You've been notified a couple times about the extended-confirmed restriction covering "Politics, ethnic relations, and conflicts involving Armenia, Azerbaijan, or both—broadly construed and explicitly including the Armenian genocide"
. Your recent edit to Karabakh Khanate was a violation of the restriction, since anything Karabakh is likely covered, and your edit in particular is related to modern ethnopolitical conflict over the history of the area. Please be particularly cautious in this topic area moving forward, as future violations will probably lead to a block or ban. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hew Folly, at my talk page, you said
"The Qajar Iran is related neither to the Republic of Azerbaijan nor to the Republic of Armenia. hence, i edited it"
. I'd rather keep this in one place, so I'm responding here. I don't think all of Qajar Iran is covered by GS/AA, and I'd say the same about Afsharid Iran, which your edit also implicated. That said, the intersection between those dynasties and Karabakh is covered by the restriction. Your mention of the Republics is a red herring, since the topic involved here is not just about the modern republics. You are free to disagree with me, and if you do, I'd say your options fall into three general buckets:- Disagree, but still behave as if I'm right. Do this and you're likely to avoid a sanction.
- Disagree, and seek out the opinion of another uninvolved admin. If they disagree with me, I'd be likely to take the matter to ANI if you have another similar violation. If they agree with me, one of us would probably block/ban if you have another violation.
- Disagree, and continue as you have been without seeking any other input. I'll probably block/ban if you have another violation.
- Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:45, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ok Thank you for your advice. Hew Folly (talk) 05:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Firefangledfeathers @Rosguill I believe HewFolly made several violations of WP:GS/AA remedies, in particular "1. Non-extended-confirmed editors may use the "Talk:" namespace to post constructive comments and make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive." I think almost all of their recent comments are disruptive in a number of ways;
- Opens a snarky discussion about Kingdom of Artsakh [1], questioning the entity altogether and questioning WP:RS with original research, posting intentionally obtuse “questions”; Artsakh is the original name of the region and one of its first entities to establish a kingdom, Kingdom of Artsakh obviously predates the modern Nagorno-Karabakh and the lead makes it clear (assuming they only read the lead). HewFolly is aware of this because they quote the lead and this is the second Artsakh history article they commented on (below for more), yet they keep wasting community time with these intentionally obtuse and condescending WP:FORUM “questions”.
- Opens another snarky WP:FORUM like discussion on Artsakh history article [2], WP:OR disputing the entity's entire existence by “What is Artsakh?”. What kind of framing is that? Only somebody who hasn't read any of the articles that they directly comment on, or are completely unfamiliar with the topic, would be asking this question - it’s clearly not the case here given HewFolly already made comments on at least 2 articles of Artsakh history and is quoting material from them. They're also asking a snarky question that is literally answered in the article itself with wikilinks, such as "Province of Artsakh of the Kingdom of Armenia 189 BC to 387 AD".
- Another discussion that showcases they also don't grasp what WP:LEAD summarising the body means, keep wasting editors' time on an obvious historical fact and has to be explained several times by a veteran editor about WP:LEAD, yet to no avail - they still don’t drop the discussion and deny an obvious fact summaried in the lead (see First Nagorno-Karabakh war outcome, Artsakh/Armenia came victorious). Even after this discussion, they still persist with the same WP:INCOMPETENT comments now in another article, pretending WP:LEAD / MOS:LEAD doesn’t exist [3].
- Another forum like thread of HewFolly questioning vastly sourced paragraph from the article because of 2 sources described by them “due to multiple refernces to denialists and negationists like the Lemkin Institute, Michael Rubin etc.” [4]. When asked a veteran user to clarify “negationists” [5], goes on a forum type comment about one of the sources and posts WP:OR forum like slanderous vague comments such as “Those who negate history through falsification and distortion of history”[6], then links to a wiki comment of another user/article [7] (same user they canvassed to in the past [8], [9]). This source they're WP:OR forum commenting about btw [10], and it’s just one source out of dozens from the paragraph that they try to cherry-pick to POV push their point.
- Removes signature and reference of an IP for no solid reason.
- HewFolly has been: using the talk pages for their WP:FORUM intentionally obtuse comments, snarky comments not limited to denying the existence of former Armenian entities, incompetent WP:IDHT push and wasting editors’ time, partially removing other editors comments with no solid grounds, etc. HewFolly's usage of talk pages has been disruptive in a controversial topic area with restrictions that they're aware about. And HewFolly already had a final GS/AA warning prior to doing all of this. Vanezi (talk) 22:13, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think that these complaints have merit: in particular, #2 is clearly a violation of GS/AA, and #3 demonstrates a lack of understanding of how to make relevant arguments about article structure to an extent incompatible with CTOPs.
Instead of addressing these concerns raised here, Hew Folly has elected toI am also deeply concerned by the most recent comment, which is another irrelevant, RGW and source-free statement about Armenia-Azerbaijan. Thus, in light of the prior warnings, I'm imposing an indefinite topic-ban on Armenia, Azerbaijan, broadly construed. This goes beyond the standard provisions of GS/AA; you are no longer welcome to make any comments or suggestions relating to these topics. Please note that this ban covers all Azerbaijani and Armenian topics, not just ones that are immediately related to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. signed, Rosguill talk 14:55, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think that these complaints have merit: in particular, #2 is clearly a violation of GS/AA, and #3 demonstrates a lack of understanding of how to make relevant arguments about article structure to an extent incompatible with CTOPs.
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