Yes, you made a mistake. My sources are up to date. Another moderator approved it. He told me to write about it in the article, initially I only listed uncredited names. The changes remained for a month. I don't mind if you delete the text of the article, but you should return the uncredited names in the infobox. Many articles use this type of credits even without sources. I proved to you that it is true. Camera slate is indicate director of photography, not camera operator or some another camera crew member. You can see Glennon's credit in all takes of Murphy's death sequence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBLVVPpoLmQ 31.42.237.163 (talk) 15:42, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- So the other person was an editor, not a moderator. You supplied a source, they obviously, despite being well-meaning, have not looked into it further than that. The changes remained for a month because I wasn't here for a month, otherwise I would have removed them immediately. The cinematographer credit is for the head of that role, which is Jost Vacano. If Sol Negrini and James Glennon held official roles on the film, then it would be possible to find verifiable sources that say such. That sites like the BFI and AFI include minor roles but neither of these names is a huge red flag, as is my inability to find any sources attaching their names to the film either. The closest I can find is this and this which says he contributed additional cinematography, which is not the cinematographer or director of photography, therefore the credits would not belong in the infobox. Similarly, without additional information, it would be WP: UNDUE to just mention their names for the sake of it, when many other crew members are not given that treatment. Additionally, Featured Articles don't include information that is not sourced, so other, lower quality articles doing so does not mean it's acceptable on a Featured Article like RoboCop. If someone's name is on a slate for an effects scene like that, it basically means they're doing additional photography that the cinematographer is too busy or otherwise occupied to do. This does not mean we'd put under the cinematographer credit someone from an effects house filming a miniature, for instance, like Phil Tippett. While I can understand this means something to you and you are maybe linked to these people, they were not THE cinematographer on RoboCop, that was Jost Vacano. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 16:23, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok. To be honest I wanted to credit only Glennon. But I decided it would be unfair to Negrin since I know about his contribution to the action sequences and car chase in the steel mill. You don't have to credit Negrin, but I have proven to you that Glennon is solely responsible for the Murphy death sequence, and therefore for the rest of the steel mill interiors (the gangsters watching the Bixby Snyder show and everything), as I said before, it's not a second unit or anything like that. You have confirmation. Bring Glennon back as an uncredited cinematographer. As for the lack of sources, yes, they hid it all these years, since it is not profitable for the press to reveal that Vacano is only responsible for 70% of the film. They probably replaced him for the simple reason that he was an expensive cinematographer, especially since he lived in Germany, I am not trying to say that he was not competent enough for those sequences. I loved Glennon's work in Jedi and Navigator, so I decided to set the record straight. 31.42.237.163 (talk) 16:56, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the additional context, I appreciate that this matters to you. I've tried to verify the specific claims you’ve made (that Jost Vacano only shot "70%" of RoboCop and that James Glennon should be credited as an uncredited cinematographer for the Murphy death sequence and related interiors), but so far I can't find reliable sources to support them, and screen grabs of his name on a clipboard wouldn't be sufficient evidence for this. If you can produce reliable evidence for those assertions I'm happy to reconsider and update the article, but here’s what we need and why:
- On-screen credits (primary source). If Glennon's name appears in the film's own credits that's a primary-source fact we can cite. I have just had a look but did not see either name. If we are citing a video we need a timestamp as well.
- Independent secondary sources. For claims such as "Vacano only shot 70% of the movie" or "Glennon was solely responsible for the Murphy death sequence", we need independent, published sources that state that explicitly, e.g. Variety, Hollywood Reporter, reputable film histories or biographies, the AFI, BFI, ASC magazine, authorized production notes, or interviews with the filmmakers/cinematographers. These are the kinds of sources that establish who actually did what on a set and allow us to give the claim appropriate weight.
- We can't keep unsourced or poorly sourced claims in the lead/infobox or give them undue prominence. For Featured Articles the sourcing bar is especially high. If the evidence shows Glennon did "additional photography" on a discrete sequence, the correct approach would be to describe that in the article body with a citation, not to list him as the main cinematographer in the infobox (infoboxes should reflect the principal on-screen credit).
- If you supply one of the above, I'll gladly add a properly formatted citation and, where appropriate, restore or add wording in the article body describing Glennon's role. If the on-screen credit says only "additional photography", I'll add that phrasing (with the source) rather than listing him in the infobox as the cinematographer.
- To be clear, this is not personal, it's just Wikipedia’s standard practice to avoid asserting unsourced production-credit claims, especially on Featured Articles. As I've said, I have done some independent research on the AFI, BFI, and just plain Google searches for the film alongside Glennon's and Sol's names, and all I've been able to find is that Sol provided additional cinematography, whereas I cannot find much, if anything, for Glennon.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 19:51, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
