User talk:Andy Dingley

Nomination of Bridge rail for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Bridge rail is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Rolls-Royce C Range Diesels

Hi Andy

You may remember some years ago (2015?) we had a conversation about the correct title for Rolls-Royce C type diesels - "Range" or "Series". I did mange to find a photo on the www of an RR engine makes plate. This shows that they are "C Range". You can find the photo on the following page: https://www.trms.org.au/rm_engine_frame.htm

Regards Bruce 22:53, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Internally riffled boiler tubes

A tag has been placed on Internally riffled boiler tubes requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a recently created redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer, or other unlikely search term.

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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

Hello Andy Dingley,

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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

Hello Andy Dingley,

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The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

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Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

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22:53, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Maersk Hangzhou has an RfC

Maersk Hangzhou has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. 22:53, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Article titles and capitalisation 2 closed

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

The existing Manual of Style and article titles contentious topic is amended, to narrow the scope to only apply to article titles and capitalisation. The contentious topic area is to be renamed "Wikipedia:Contentious topics/Article titles and capitalisation", and the exact scope is available at the final decision page.
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Uninvolved administrators may impose word limits on all participants in a discussion, or on individual editors across all discussions, within a specific contentious topic area. Citations and quotations (whether from sources, Wikipedia articles, Wikipedia discussions, or elsewhere) do not count toward the word limit. These restrictions must be logged and may be appealed in the same way as all contentious topic restrictions.
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For the Arbitration Committee, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 23:47, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Article titles and capitalisation 2 closed 22:53, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

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22:53, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Grenade

Hi there! I think I was a bit unclear in the split-request. Reading through the comments on the previous move-request,the consensus was that Grenade was to be kept as the main article about grenades, but that it currently has hand-grenades as priority topic. It was also suggested in the discussion that I'd split off the hand-grenade parts to a separate article in the same manner rifle-grenades has its own main article. As Blockhaj derailed the end of the discussion, I'd like for clarification of your position.

1 Are you opposed to have Hand-grenade being a main article with a summary in the article Grenade?
2 On a more general note, with an absolute majority of the edits on A being on the topic b which then becomes a separate article, is the best practice to keep the edit history with article A or article B with a split-note in the other, or is there a way to duplicate the edit history to both A and B?

respectfully /BP OMowe (talk) 14:52, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not strongly opposed to any changes here. I'm strongly opposed to anything resembling a merge with shell, on the basis of German etymology.

On the topic of grenades, I see hand grenade as being strongly the core of such an article. It has the historical primacy, it is the most common form of grenade, it is still largely the technical basis of other grenades. We should keep grenade coverage broad, to the point of covering hand grenades to the level that most readers will care about.

There are a large number of grenade articles. On that basis it's a bit pointless to oppose the creation of an article on hand grenades. But that's not a split – it would be better treated as a new article, for which an easy way to build much of it would be by copying (and a credit via edit summaries and the talk: page) the source of that content. We might then edit both and make one more detailed and even make the other less detailed. What level of detail is appropriate for a reader who wants to read just one article on grenades? There's probably scope for pruning some of the content that has migrated to hand grenade. But the point would be that we've not changed the scope of the grenade article: it still remains as grenades, largely thrown hand grenades. It still covers hand grenades, at least to the level that our hypothetical reader wanting to read just one article on grenades is interested in. Yes, this is duplication. That's not a problem. Yes, it's duplication in both reading content, and in edits (so we note this on the new article talk:). Neither is a problem. What we need to do is to deliver the best choices of scope for the relevant articles (defined by title and an abstract concept of scope, even if we never write that down explicitly). Then deliver the best set of content at each article, as separate problems for each article, according to what their separate scopes require. What we shouldn't do is generate a list of sub-factoids, then allocate each in turn to different articles, avoiding overlap (an editing algorithm I've seen advocated here). That doesn't deliver the best readable and relevant articles. Which is, in the end, what we're supposed to be about.

I'll copy this over to the article talk: too. Probably better to continue there. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:28, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seems we have a general agreement on both topic and purpose here, and the details are indeed better handled on the talk page. Cheers! BP OMowe (talk) 21:45, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Featherless biped" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Featherless biped has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 September 30 § Featherless biped until a consensus is reached. -1ctinus📝🗨 14:21, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Hi and thanks for your recent participation in AfD. I would like to hear your thoughts about the process. Please check this survey if you are willing to respond. FYI I found your participation via XTools.Czarking0 (talk) 02:49, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tubework (TDLR 7 and 8)

Hi. Just wanted to drop by to say I'm not an AI. Just thought the term wasn't good enough so I tried a better one. Cheers! — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 19:19, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But your edit summary implies some sort of 'bot?

We can't 'find typos' in technical articles by scanning for every word existing in a short dictionary. Didn't we do that some years back, and it was awful? Andy Dingley (talk) 19:21, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:Deathnotekll2

Oops, I thanked you for the wrong edit. Anyways, I'm sure you knew which one I meant. Doesn't appear to be anything useful that can be added to your detailed response, so I'm going to stay out of it. Maybe things will settle, but I have my doubts. Meters (talk) 00:21, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One of those instances where shinigami eyes would be useful. We can only wait and see how things develop. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:24, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's a shame most administrators and the general public don't have access to IP addresses or personal information from registered users, isn't it?

Your digital shinigami eyes are very unfortunately restricted to the Wikimedia Foundation and Check Users.

I don't know who you're trying to see, though. Is it me? Someone else maybe?

Aside from being really creepy, you're comment was creative - I have to commend you for that. Deathnotekll2 (talk) 05:19, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:Andy Dingley

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Nomination of Bridge rail for deletion

Rolls-Royce C Range Diesels

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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

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Maersk Hangzhou has an RfC

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Article titles and capitalisation 2 closed

New pages patrol September 2025 Backlog drive

Grenade

"Featherless biped" listed at Redirects for discussion

Survey

Tubework (TDLR 7 and 8)

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