User talk:2600:4809:1130:4D00:CC7E:47CE:2A:577
Resolution
[edit]We're asked to resolve this. Again, please point me to an actual article that states that attendances follows turnstiles across ALL MAJOR EVENTS, not just wrestling attendances. Let's come to a conclusion. Jakeburtonz (talk) 22:06, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- I noticed you made an edit when we were told not to. You're going to have to resolve this. Jakeburtonz (talk) 22:17, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- You weren’t even at all in 2024 and you were trying to edit that page,why?
- turnstile count has been used for wikipedia since 2023 and trust me,i was acting like you but this is the rule for wikipedia now by czello and other users 2600:4809:1130:4D00:CC7E:47CE:2A:577 (talk) 22:18, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- I wasn't at that event, but I wanted to edit it to the total attendance and not turnstile because you've brought it up to me. WM3 all the way to WM41 should all be edited to have their total attendance as opposed to turnstile. WM32 and All In 2023 is a bit difficult to navigate through because there were far more ramifications for the actual number for them, as opposed to the other 2 all ins/WM which are just largely attended events. Jakeburtonz (talk) 22:22, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- Also the claimed attendance for All in was 29k, but it was disputed that the total attendance was closer to 24k. Which means it's more than likely for the number to be at 24K as opposed to 21k, which Thurston again said that is lower than the actual attendance usually in that article. Since this is a conversation, I will re-iterate that several people had their tickets digitally scanned and by a gun on the admission lineup because they wanted to get as many people in as fast as possible, which is common in concerts as well. Jakeburtonz (talk) 22:24, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- You need to have an actual source from the wrestling observer,pwinsider for that 2600:4809:1130:4D00:CC7E:47CE:2A:577 (talk) 22:27, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- WM 3 has a lot of dispute
- the other wrestlemanias are literally telling us from government officials that nowhere close 23K were even at the stadium,how are you gonna let me leave 29,000 there? If you are gonna use assumptions and being relaistic,this event has been on sale since november 2024 and only had 15K in the last fewe weeks before the event around late june and suddenly sold 15k a few weeks before the event 2600:4809:1130:4D00:CC7E:47CE:2A:577 (talk) 22:24, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- And no
- all in 2024 is literally reversed 46K same as all in 2023 reversed to 72K because of the same source which was the brent concuil
- kinda weird that you said all in 2024 is different than ALL In 2023 2600:4809:1130:4D00:CC7E:47CE:2A:577 (talk) 22:26, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- What are you talking about? I said the attendances for WM32 and All in 2023 should be scrutinized because a record is discussion, but the correct number is the total attendance for both events. I told you to put it at 23,759 which is closer to the actual number, not 29,000. Jakeburtonz (talk) 22:28, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- And also that 15k comment is ridiculous because if you were there at the event, it very much looked like there were around 25k+ in that venue, because I've been to Major League Baseball games with relative attendances. Jakeburtonz (talk) 22:30, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- Regardless, Brandon in the video I linked you says that turnstiles aren't indicative of total attendances, and is always lower than the ACTUAL attendance. That has been known, and he just reiterates it. the 23,759 number is much closer to the actual attendance. Jakeburtonz (talk) 22:32, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- I told you that Brandon Thurston is the one guy who opened pandora’s box and he wrote that article and melter agreed with it,WM 32 had 80K,all in 2023 72K,all in 2024 46K and all in 2025 21K and all of that because of him,we don’t use wwe and aew numbers who are both knowing for inflating their numbers for entertainment purposes 2600:4809:1130:4D00:CC7E:47CE:2A:577 (talk) 22:36, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- I have the articles that he wrote 2600:4809:1130:4D00:CC7E:47CE:2A:577 (talk) 22:36, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- Brandon literally wrote the article yes, I'm just telling you what he said in the video covering this story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmW3B3F1_qU . The total attendance is more reflective of the actual attendance because again a good chunk of people do not walk through turnstiles. Jakeburtonz (talk) 22:41, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- Video’s aren’t used as sources 2600:4809:1130:4D00:CC7E:47CE:2A:577 (talk) 22:46, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- And he doesn’t specifically say that
- attendance= how many fans
- when it is all said and done,he said all in is 72K and all in 2024 46K and hasn’t been touched since
- and wm 32 had 80K 2600:4809:1130:4D00:CC7E:47CE:2A:577 (talk) 22:47, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- Not when the source article is literally made by the exact same person. Are you saying Brandon is not a viable source, when he wrote the article you're citing? Jakeburtonz (talk) 22:47, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- And that is said in the article, he says "It’s not unusual for the number of tickets scanned to be substantially lower than the number of tickets distributed or sold. Records also show 678 suite tickets were sold though only 274 were scanned for admission." Which implies that the turnstile count is usually lower than what the attendance tallied for. Which could mean staff and fans who did not have to walk through a turnstile, which is common. 23,759 is not the total attendance number AEW claimed, it's the actual number claimed the government. Jakeburtonz (talk) 22:51, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- The 21,973 number includes the suits,he literally says that in the article and was quoted by the wrestling observer here https://www.f4wonline.com/news/aew/aew-all-in-texas-actual-attendance-revealed/
- The news comes from public records obtained by Wrestlenomics that revealed the actual turnstile count (aka tickets scanned for those coming into the venue) at 21,973 which included 274 suite tickets out of 678 that were actually sold.
- While not specified, the difference could be arena workers and other personnel.
- we don’t count that here 2600:4809:1130:4D00:CC7E:47CE:2A:577 (talk) 22:55, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- We uze the government records
- the local government who literaly had a partnership deal with AEW 2600:4809:1130:4D00:CC7E:47CE:2A:577 (talk) 22:56, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- Anyway so we can end this discussion,you asked me about this before,look up all in 2023,2024 and WM 3 and 32 talk pages,you will have your answers 2600:4809:1130:4D00:29D1:281A:EB17:67E8 (talk) 23:00, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- And the government records stated 23,759 as the total attendance. 21k is for people who have ONLY gone through a turnstile, it's much different here. AEW didn't claim 23,759, it's the government that did for total attendance. Jakeburtonz (talk) 23:02, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- And again, turnstiles is not a good indicator of deciding attendance values because of what I've told you about people having their tickets scanned with guns, so on. the number said 21k yet several people have not gone through turnstiles, so this automatically means the 21k number is incorrect. As stated, the 23k number is closer to ACTUAL attendance. Jakeburtonz (talk) 23:04, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not telling you to go by the number AEW claimed, the WAY more realistic number is the 23,759 total attendance which includes people that have not gone through turnstiles. Jakeburtonz (talk) 23:04, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- If you read the article,The government had expectations of actual fans in attendance,in the documents,they said 21,973 actually has tickets and the rest were the Stadium workers and other personnel 2600:4809:1130:4D00:29D1:281A:EB17:67E8 (talk) 23:11, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- And none of that explains why you tried to mess with all in 2024 with no explanation and not editing the wrestlemanias like you said we should,All In 2024 had 46K 2600:4809:1130:4D00:29D1:281A:EB17:67E8 (talk) 23:12, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- 21,973 was the turnstile count, don't change the narrative. I've explained to you several times, 23,759 contains people there who did not go through turnstiles. And for the ALL IN 2024, I explained the turnstile count is not a good indication of that, with the total attendance highlighting as such. I was literally about to do WWE's attendances until I was warned and you told me to not edit more than 3 articles. What are you even saying lmfao. Jakeburtonz (talk) 23:16, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- That’s why i told you don’t even try,if you go the edit history of people trying to edit old wrestlemanias or All in 2023,2024,their edits get reversed back immediately,that’s why i’m telling you,there is a rule to go with the turnstile count,do you think i’m actually happy about that? No
- there is no way wrestlemania 30 only had 60K or wm 3 had 78K only but here we are 2600:4809:1130:4D00:29D1:281A:EB17:67E8 (talk) 23:24, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- Can you link me to the rule that you keep mentioning? I've been asking you to let me know for the longest, and not some "unofficial rule of thumb" that people go by. Show me a topic or article that states wikipedia attendances are to go by turnstiles. And again, All In 2025's total attendance was around 23,759 as I keep telling you. Sure it includes staff, but there aren't 2000 stuff patrolling the venue. This number accounts for the people who did not go through turnstiles, which I've been telling you was plenty because they wanted to rush everyone into the venue as the zero hour was about to conclude. Jakeburtonz (talk) 23:29, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- 23759 is not the number reported by AEW again. 29K was the unrealistic number they mentioned. 23k is very accurate to the total attendance which was reiterated. 21k is not very accurate to the total number that will probably never be known, that's why the total attendance is a better indicator of that (as mentioned). Jakeburtonz (talk) 23:31, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- It is literaly said in the article,tunrstile scanned tickets are 21,973 2600:4809:1130:4D00:29D1:281A:EB17:67E8 (talk) 00:26, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- We go by the turnstile count for wikipedia and czello will confirm that 2600:4809:1130:4D00:29D1:281A:EB17:67E8 (talk) 00:26, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- And I'm telling you several people didn't have their tickets scanned by turnstile because they rushed people in. The 23,759 number is far more accurate than the turnstile. And as I've told you, I've been to many Rangers games where the attendance is usually close to full (33k) and the set up looked at as crowded as they were in All In. Again I'm just recounting my experience, which makes the 23,759 more believable than 21k, where it only had people go through a turnstile and not admitted by other means. Jakeburtonz (talk) 00:44, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- in the globe life field Jakeburtonz (talk) 00:44, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- I also don't understand why you're extremely set on trying to enforce including the turnstile count when it's clearly not conclusive especially for that event. I get that you're upset WWE was being scrutinized for doing that, but the 21,000 is very clearly not an accurate number as I've explained to you several times, and yet you're just not listening to what I'm saying at all and are just repeating the same messages over and over again. It's pretty clear you don't want to come to a mutual understanding due to your frustrations of the scrutiny of WWE in the past. Jakeburtonz (talk) 01:02, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- Also, don't act like I didn't notice you dancing around the question of "can you link the article/source claiming that". you still have not done it because you know it doesn't exist and is just an "unofficial rule of thumb" Jakeburtonz (talk) 01:03, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- claiming turnstile counts to be aggregated as attendance for wikipedia
- Jakeburtonz (talk) 01:07, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- Here is what the article said:
- The funding approval was based on estimated attendance of 33,490, including 32,500 spectators, projected in February. After the July 12 show, officials submitted documentation certifying actual attendance at 23,759, including 21,973 spectators.
- The count of 21,973 spectators reflects the number of tickets scanned for people who actually entered the venue.
- it is pretty clear
- and by the way i’m waiting for the user czello to come and explain to you we can’t edit back All in 2024 attendance or any of the previous Wrestlemanias
- those discussions already has been done,bring up a source,don’t have those weird arguments because there is no way you arguing about 1800 difference in attendance and that you can identify that through photos
- i can easily say AEW gave away free tickets or seat fillers which what they have been doing in some of their weekly shows but attendance from an independent source is attendance 2600:4809:1130:4D00:D48:E11A:F295:E67A (talk) 01:20, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- I’m not dancing around,wait for Czello in the morning to let you know that we are using turnstile numbers 2600:4809:1130:4D00:D48:E11A:F295:E67A (talk) 01:22, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- And do you have any proof of AEW giving away tickets "like they have for their shows? The fact you're bringing that up shows that you're arguing in bad faith. You were not there at the venue, nor have been to globe life field. The attendance that night looked very similar to the attendances of the rangers games I've spectated, which averages 28 thousand now. The outfield pavilion bleachers were empty, but the upper level seats were all almost full. This is not a source, but I'm refuting your perception. Jakeburtonz (talk) 01:36, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- Again, the total attendance accounts for people who have not gone through turnstiles. My ticket was not scanned, which alone invalidates the turnstile attendance on wikipedia. You mention the 1.8k difference, yet you're here dying by the sword just to get that number down, when in actuality it's the way more plausible number. Again, with what you've said to me previously I'm getting the impression you're doing this in bad faith. You literally did not listen to a single argument I made. Jakeburtonz (talk) 01:39, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- Also, don't act like I didn't notice you dancing around the question of "can you link the article/source claiming that". you still have not done it because you know it doesn't exist and is just an "unofficial rule of thumb" Jakeburtonz (talk) 01:03, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- I also don't understand why you're extremely set on trying to enforce including the turnstile count when it's clearly not conclusive especially for that event. I get that you're upset WWE was being scrutinized for doing that, but the 21,000 is very clearly not an accurate number as I've explained to you several times, and yet you're just not listening to what I'm saying at all and are just repeating the same messages over and over again. It's pretty clear you don't want to come to a mutual understanding due to your frustrations of the scrutiny of WWE in the past. Jakeburtonz (talk) 01:02, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- in the globe life field Jakeburtonz (talk) 00:44, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- It is literaly said in the article,tunrstile scanned tickets are 21,973 2600:4809:1130:4D00:29D1:281A:EB17:67E8 (talk) 00:26, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- 23759 is not the number reported by AEW again. 29K was the unrealistic number they mentioned. 23k is very accurate to the total attendance which was reiterated. 21k is not very accurate to the total number that will probably never be known, that's why the total attendance is a better indicator of that (as mentioned). Jakeburtonz (talk) 23:31, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- If you read the article,The government had expectations of actual fans in attendance,in the documents,they said 21,973 actually has tickets and the rest were the Stadium workers and other personnel 2600:4809:1130:4D00:29D1:281A:EB17:67E8 (talk) 23:11, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not telling you to go by the number AEW claimed, the WAY more realistic number is the 23,759 total attendance which includes people that have not gone through turnstiles. Jakeburtonz (talk) 23:04, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- And again, turnstiles is not a good indicator of deciding attendance values because of what I've told you about people having their tickets scanned with guns, so on. the number said 21k yet several people have not gone through turnstiles, so this automatically means the 21k number is incorrect. As stated, the 23k number is closer to ACTUAL attendance. Jakeburtonz (talk) 23:04, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- And the government records stated 23,759 as the total attendance. 21k is for people who have ONLY gone through a turnstile, it's much different here. AEW didn't claim 23,759, it's the government that did for total attendance. Jakeburtonz (talk) 23:02, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- Anyway so we can end this discussion,you asked me about this before,look up all in 2023,2024 and WM 3 and 32 talk pages,you will have your answers 2600:4809:1130:4D00:29D1:281A:EB17:67E8 (talk) 23:00, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- And that is said in the article, he says "It’s not unusual for the number of tickets scanned to be substantially lower than the number of tickets distributed or sold. Records also show 678 suite tickets were sold though only 274 were scanned for admission." Which implies that the turnstile count is usually lower than what the attendance tallied for. Which could mean staff and fans who did not have to walk through a turnstile, which is common. 23,759 is not the total attendance number AEW claimed, it's the actual number claimed the government. Jakeburtonz (talk) 22:51, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- Video’s aren’t used as sources 2600:4809:1130:4D00:CC7E:47CE:2A:577 (talk) 22:46, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- I told you that Brandon Thurston is the one guy who opened pandora’s box and he wrote that article and melter agreed with it,WM 32 had 80K,all in 2023 72K,all in 2024 46K and all in 2025 21K and all of that because of him,we don’t use wwe and aew numbers who are both knowing for inflating their numbers for entertainment purposes 2600:4809:1130:4D00:CC7E:47CE:2A:577 (talk) 22:36, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- Regardless, Brandon in the video I linked you says that turnstiles aren't indicative of total attendances, and is always lower than the ACTUAL attendance. That has been known, and he just reiterates it. the 23,759 number is much closer to the actual attendance. Jakeburtonz (talk) 22:32, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- And also that 15k comment is ridiculous because if you were there at the event, it very much looked like there were around 25k+ in that venue, because I've been to Major League Baseball games with relative attendances. Jakeburtonz (talk) 22:30, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- Also the claimed attendance for All in was 29k, but it was disputed that the total attendance was closer to 24k. Which means it's more than likely for the number to be at 24K as opposed to 21k, which Thurston again said that is lower than the actual attendance usually in that article. Since this is a conversation, I will re-iterate that several people had their tickets digitally scanned and by a gun on the admission lineup because they wanted to get as many people in as fast as possible, which is common in concerts as well. Jakeburtonz (talk) 22:24, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- I wasn't at that event, but I wanted to edit it to the total attendance and not turnstile because you've brought it up to me. WM3 all the way to WM41 should all be edited to have their total attendance as opposed to turnstile. WM32 and All In 2023 is a bit difficult to navigate through because there were far more ramifications for the actual number for them, as opposed to the other 2 all ins/WM which are just largely attended events. Jakeburtonz (talk) 22:22, 10 October 2025 (UTC)