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Template-protected edit request on 12 July 2022

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Could you please edit this link to [[Wimbledon Championships|Wimbledon]] in the infobox template for players have competed in the Wimbledon Championships following a move request per Talk:Wimbledon#Requested move 3 July 2022. ApprenticeFan work 04:21, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done * Pppery * it has begun... 17:49, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

blank entries for w/l

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Is it worth amending this so that the default text is something like "incomplete" rather than 0-0 when the parameter is not entered - many players have 0-0 in classes that they have also won tournaments in. 2A02:C7C:60D7:5200:7978:6726:851A:FED3 (talk) 14:51, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 12 January 2023

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Description of suggested change: Request for adding a new parameter under the Team competitions section for the United Cup. Unnamelessness (talk) 03:19, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Probrably adding | label97 = [[United Cup]] and | data97 = {{{United Cup|}}}, and subsquently update the follow-up parameters. Unnamelessness (talk) 03:26, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Primefac (talk) 08:45, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the update, Primefac (talk), but I am very sorry that for the consistency with the other parameters, the | data97 = {{{United Cup|}}} better to be | data97 = {{{UnitedCupresult|}}}. Also, I'm afraid that the Check for unknown parameters checklist also needs an update, so that the warning message would not be triggered in the preview when the parameter is implentmented. This could be done by set
{{#invoke:Check for unknown parameters|check|unknown=[[Category:Pages using infobox tennis biography with unsupported parameters|_VALUE_{{PAGENAME}}]]|preview = Page using [[Template:Infobox tennis biography]] with unknown parameter "_VALUE_"|ignoreblank=y | embed | name | image | image_size | alt | caption | full_name | fullname | native_name | native_name_lang | itf_name | country_represented | country represented | country | residence | birth_date | birth_place | death_date | death_place | height | turnedpro | retired | plays | college | coach | careerprizemoney | tennishofyear | tennishofid | website | singlesrecord | singlestitles | highestsinglesranking | currentsinglesranking | AustralianOpenresult | FrenchOpenresult | Wimbledonresult | USOpenresult | AustralianOpenjuniorresult | FrenchOpenjuniorresult | Wimbledonjuniorresult | USOpenjuniorresult | AustralianOpenseniorresult | FrenchOpenseniorresult | Wimbledonseniorresult | USOpenseniorresult | WHCCresult | WCCCresult | TOCresult | MastersCupresult | GrandSlamCupresult | WCTFinalsresult | WTAChampionshipsresult | Olympicsresult | WheelchairTennisMastersresult | Paralympicsresult | Promajors | USProresult | WembleyProresult | FrenchProresult | Proother | doublesrecord | doublestitles | highestdoublesranking | currentdoublesranking | AustralianOpenDoublesresult | FrenchOpenDoublesresult | WimbledonDoublesresult | USOpenDoublesresult | AustralianOpenDoublesjuniorresult | FrenchOpenDoublesjuniorresult | WimbledonDoublesjuniorresult | USOpenDoublesjuniorresult | AustralianOpenDoublesseniorresult | FrenchOpenDoublesseniorresult | WimbledonDoublesseniorresult | USOpenDoublesseniorresult | WHCCDoublesresult | WCCCDoublesresult | MastersCupDoublesresult | WTAChampionshipsDoublesresult | OlympicsDoublesresult | WheelchairTennisMastersDoublesresult | ParalympicsDoublesresult | mixedrecord | mixedtitles | AustralianOpenMixedresult | FrenchOpenMixedresult | WimbledonMixedresult | USOpenMixedresult | WHCCMixedDoublesresult | WCCCMixedDoublesresult | OlympicMixedDoublesresult | WheelchairWorldTeamCupresult | DavisCupresult | FedCupresult | BJKCupresult | HopmanCupresult | WightmanCupresult | CoachYears | CoachPlayers | CoachSinglesTitles | CoachDoublesTitles | CoachTournamentRecord | CoachingAwards | CoachingRecords | module | medals-title | medaltemplates-title | medals | medaltemplates | medals-expand | medaltemplates-expand | updated | Othertournaments | OthertournamentsDoubles | OthertournamentsMixedDoubles | Mixed | Team }}
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{{#invoke:Check for unknown parameters|check|unknown=[[Category:Pages using infobox tennis biography with unsupported parameters|_VALUE_{{PAGENAME}}]]|preview = Page using [[Template:Infobox tennis biography]] with unknown parameter "_VALUE_"|ignoreblank=y | embed | name | image | image_size | alt | caption | full_name | fullname | native_name | native_name_lang | itf_name | country_represented | country represented | country | residence | birth_date | birth_place | death_date | death_place | height | turnedpro | retired | plays | college | coach | careerprizemoney | tennishofyear | tennishofid | website | singlesrecord | singlestitles | highestsinglesranking | currentsinglesranking | AustralianOpenresult | FrenchOpenresult | Wimbledonresult | USOpenresult | AustralianOpenjuniorresult | FrenchOpenjuniorresult | Wimbledonjuniorresult | USOpenjuniorresult | AustralianOpenseniorresult | FrenchOpenseniorresult | Wimbledonseniorresult | USOpenseniorresult | WHCCresult | WCCCresult | TOCresult | MastersCupresult | GrandSlamCupresult | WCTFinalsresult | WTAChampionshipsresult | Olympicsresult | WheelchairTennisMastersresult | Paralympicsresult | Promajors | USProresult | WembleyProresult | FrenchProresult | Proother | doublesrecord | doublestitles | highestdoublesranking | currentdoublesranking | AustralianOpenDoublesresult | FrenchOpenDoublesresult | WimbledonDoublesresult | USOpenDoublesresult | AustralianOpenDoublesjuniorresult | FrenchOpenDoublesjuniorresult | WimbledonDoublesjuniorresult | USOpenDoublesjuniorresult | AustralianOpenDoublesseniorresult | FrenchOpenDoublesseniorresult | WimbledonDoublesseniorresult | USOpenDoublesseniorresult | WHCCDoublesresult | WCCCDoublesresult | MastersCupDoublesresult | WTAChampionshipsDoublesresult | OlympicsDoublesresult | WheelchairTennisMastersDoublesresult | ParalympicsDoublesresult | mixedrecord | mixedtitles | AustralianOpenMixedresult | FrenchOpenMixedresult | WimbledonMixedresult | USOpenMixedresult | WHCCMixedDoublesresult | WCCCMixedDoublesresult | OlympicMixedDoublesresult | WheelchairWorldTeamCupresult | DavisCupresult | FedCupresult | BJKCupresult | HopmanCupresult | WightmanCupresult | UnitedCupresult | CoachYears | CoachPlayers | CoachSinglesTitles | CoachDoublesTitles | CoachTournamentRecord | CoachingAwards | CoachingRecords | module | medals-title | medaltemplates-title | medals | medaltemplates | medals-expand | medaltemplates-expand | updated | Othertournaments | OthertournamentsDoubles | OthertournamentsMixedDoubles | Mixed | Team }} after the parameter name update. Unnamelessness (talk) 05:17, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Primefac (talk) 08:47, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This should never have been added without substantial consultation with tennis project. This is a minor event with no history, just like Laver Cup. There are plenty of events that are purposely omitted from the infobox and, without discussion, none should be added. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:17, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Reverted as contested. Primefac (talk) 07:18, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 4 June 2023

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Could you change the link from Fed Cup to Billie Jean King Cup? Pelmeen10 (talk) 14:19, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Primefac (talk) 14:25, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done, BJK Cup already has a link and params. Unless consensus says otherwise, I would argue that keeping it as "Fed Cup" will keep the names consistent for the time period in which the cup was won. Primefac (talk) 14:27, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No. of Grand Slams won

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Please give a line as "No. of grandslams won: __ " (for both singles and doubles) in infobox. Beacuse everytime when the user views the wiki page of a top player, he/she has to count the number of grandslams won, if he/she wants to know how much grandslams the player has won.
--106.51.179.120 (talk) 06:27, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The terminology would have to be different before considering. The last male to win a Grand Slam was Rod Laver in 1969. Steffi Graf was the last female. I suppose under the "Grand Slam singles results" in the infobox we could have something like Total won: 3. The trouble is 99.9% of players will have won zero. This will affect very few articles and even those who have won a major it's probably 1-4 which is easily countable. It's rare players like Graf and Djokovic that cause the heavy counting. So maybe it could be added for those rare times it could be useful. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:44, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is a line as: "Career titles:__". Another line can be given below as: "Career grandslams: __", which can be made visible only if the player has won a grandslam.
--106.51.179.120 (talk) 07:16, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It would never be written as "Career Grandslams". One it's two words, and two... no player has won a Grand Slam since 1988. Maybe "Major titles". Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:36, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I didnt mean Calender Grandslam. In the article Grand Slam (tennis) its given as "...winning all four major championships in one discipline in a calendar year,.." and in article Wimbledon Championships, as: "Wimbledon is one of the four Grand Slam tennis tournaments...". User:Fyunck(click), whats your view on this?
--106.51.179.120 (talk) 08:14, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We have to be careful not to confuse readers with the terms. There really is no calendar Grand Slam. There is Grand Slam (winning all four majors in a year) and non-calendar Grand Slam (winning all four majors consecutively but not in a single year). There is also the four tennis "majors" or "Grand Slam tournaments" which are the individual events that make up a Grand Slam. You really need to make sure the word "tournament" is attached so as not to confuse it with the term Grand Slam. If it ever gets put in the infobox it would need to use "major" or "Grand Slam tournaments", and Grand Slam tournament totals is a bit long for the box width. Plus the term "Career Grand Slam" is actually used to refer to winning all four majors at any time in a player's career. 08:41, 4 July 2023 (UTC)Fyunck(click) (talk)
Concur with Fyunck; we already have a list of "Grand Slam singles results" listed in the infobox, and as mentioned it's happened all of 25 times in the last century, so the signal/noise ratio is rather low and not really worth including (especially given all of the potential confusion and/or misuse indicated above). Primefac (talk) 08:51, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's possible we could add something like I did here on Federer's article (putting major titles under singles titles), but I'm not sure we need it or if we could get the Tennis Project to go along with it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you User:Fyunck(click). User:Primefac, please consider adding a line "Major titles won: __" because, there are around 37 players (in both men and women) who has won 7+ major titles, and whenever their page is visited and if the user wants to know their total number of major titles win, he/she has to count looking at the years.
--106.51.179.120 (talk) 10:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Honorifics

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We should add |honorific prefix= and |honorific suffix=, like in {{Infobox person}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:52, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 14 July 2023

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Change "Coach" to "Coach(es)" in the Infobox tennis biography 72.226.1.120 (talk) 15:02, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Usually a player has only one coach. And only the current coach is supposed to be in the infobox, the rest in a separate prose section. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:36, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit template-protected}} template. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 20:29, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 23 July 2023

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Description of suggested change: Remove font-weight: lighter from belowstyle for accessibility reasons. It’s font-weight: 100 and basically unreadable on macOS. NM 00:58, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I'm missing something, the font is the same size for me in places like Venus Williams. Am I opposed, no, but I don't know what "lighter" is supposedly doing. Primefac (talk) 12:33, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Done It looks OK to me in my browser, but with some fonts, reducing the weight (i.e. the opposite of bolding) can make text thin and difficult to read. There is no benefit to a lighter weight here, and some potential for accessibility problems. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:15, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Primefac, I forgot to provide this link for an explanation of what "lighter" does. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:16, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Color change

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I propose we change the header color to a green, similar to how the Infobox for swimmers has a blue color for their headers. I’ve made the changes in the sandbox as an example of what it would look like with a “tennis ball green” coloring Bluealbion (talk) 01:34, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can we start this again? I'm certainly in favor of this. Legendofmv (talk) 19:50, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

University field

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Add "/university" to |college= so that it displays the university names for biographies of American or non-American tennis players who competed in Canada's U Sports or any varsity competition elsewhere outside the United States. Santiago Claudio (talk) 04:28, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would say no as U Sports isn't notable per Tennis project. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I meant to type... add "/university" to |label13=college when this infobox is in biographies of non-American tennis players who played U.S. varsity tennis. Santiago Claudio (talk) 05:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Easy enough to add a |university= parameter, which will also change the label if used. Primefac (talk) 09:33, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add "upright" parameter

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@Primefac: Using pixels is deprecated at wikipedia for infobox image sizing and that's what the image_size parameter does. Can get an image_upright parameter added like we have done at "Template:Infobox person"? That way instead of changing image.jpg to "file:image.jpg|frameless|upright=.8" we can simply add the parameter image_upright=.8

That would be a lot easier for tennis bios and doesn't change anything for current articles. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:48, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to sandbox it. Primefac (talk) 23:28, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Primefac: I just tried it. Using the Template from the well-used "Template:Infobox person" I pretty much pasted it into Template:Infobox tennis biography/sandbox. Seems to work as expected except for making the bars green instead of blue. Maybe because it's a sandbox template rather than a standard template? I used article Jovana Jović as the test player for the sandbox. The parameter for the infobox "image_upright" seems to work well, with no red warnings. I guess our tennis bio template wasn't updated when the infobox person was updated. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:27, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, sorted. Primefac (talk) 14:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Primefac: Thanks but one big problem. You accidentally removed the image_upright parameter from "checking for unknown parameters" section. I added it back to the sandbox with this edit. It won't work with that removed as the template sees it as an unknown parameter. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:23, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Technically I didn't remove it, I just forgot to add it (the sandbox was a mess). I've added it in now. Thanks. Primefac (talk) 19:35, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

TfM notice.

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Description of suggested change:

Can someone please wrap the Tfm notice in noinclude tags? There is no need for it to be transcluded everywhere this template is used. Tvx1 10:11, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Tvx1 by convention WP:TFM notices are included to draw people to the discussion. —Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:14, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But this is not the template that’s being discussed? Tvx1 18:37, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion is to merge the two so both are involved. — Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 19:10, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
True. All the garbage from real tennis, even though it doesn't pertain to tennis, would be merged into tennis biography. So it makes a big difference that many need to be aware of. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:32, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it’s been withdrawn anyway. Tvx1 09:28, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox person has an RfC

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Template:Infobox person has an RfC for possible consensus regarding the removal of color from person infoboxes. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. — Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:31, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Who the heck changed our parameters without discussion?

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Residence has been part of infobox tennis biography template for a long time. Why was this removed without notice or discussion here? Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:37, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As I advised you when you commented on my talk page, this was the result of a very clear RFC. It has been removed from {{infobox person}} and {{Infobox sportsperson}} among many others. I see no reason that {{Infobox tennis biography}} should be exempt from this RFC decision... Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 05:51, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was not a blanket agreement, and if it were and the projects it affected were not informed, it is completely wrong to do so. There was a discussion about overturning the "specific" infobox person decision in 2024 and it was pointed out the specific project templates have different needs. If you want to start a discussion to see what the Tennis Project thinks about a removal be my guest, but the template is tennis player specific and needs Tennis Project approval for changes of that magnitude. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:08, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RFC: Should residence be removed as with other person infoboxes?

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At an RFC in 2019, there was overwhelming support to remove |residence= from {{Infobox person}} and from {{Infobox sportsperson}}.

In 2024, at a second RFC that decision was affirmed and overwhelming agreed to for a second time.

Given that {{Infobox person}} and {{Infobox sportsperson}} both had this parameter removed, should {{Infobox tennis biography}} do the same.

For the record and for full disclosure, I initially went ahead and removed it as I felt that the 2 RFCs made it clear that this change was to be made. That removal was objected to fiercely by another editor who felt I had overstepped. I have reverted my change and here we are.

A few arguments
  • Per MOS:IBXPURPOSE: The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance
  • The "residence" is almost never sourced and is not really relevant to the player's biography
  • To quote one editor at the previous RFC, "Completely non-educational unless you're some sort of celebrity stalker".

Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 06:09, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RFC Discussion

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@9t5, 4theloveofallthings, Bagumba, Bluerasberry, Brainulator9, Cocobb8, Coolcaesar, Cyphoidbomb, DarkGlow, Dmehus, Doniago, FieldMarine, FlightTime, Goldsztajn, HTGS, Kusma, Levivich, MarnetteD, Moxy, Nikkimaria, Remsense, RexxS, Ryk72, SMcCandlish, Teblick, and Vanisaac: courtesy ping to those who commented on the two related RFCs (I THINK I got everyone). --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 06:16, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose There are a lot of things that aren't sourced that should be... but this was removed with no discussion. Glad to see it has one now. Tennis players often play for one country but reside in another... that is important stuff at a glance. We have players like Naomi Osaka who plays for Japan but lives in the US. We have players that live in Russia but because Russia is banned as a nation in tennis the player plays for another country. That is important to know. Maybe other sports and businesses don't have that type of location balance. Most huge sports are team sports so they may need different parameters, but with tennis it is very common to play for one nation and live in another... that's important for readers to know and why we have kept it all these decades. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:25, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • MOS:INFOBOX says

    If the field is relevant to very few articles, it should probably not be included at all

    For the example given of Naomi Osaka, which is a WP:GA, her infobox listed residence of Beverly Hills isn't otherwise mentioned in its lead. That aside, is she the exception for an arguably notable residence, or the tennis norm?—Bagumba (talk) 06:33, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    One of the things that happens a lot in tennis is players go to large academies to learn to play... sometimes for many years. They live out of country or they have multiple residences... like Monaco because of taxes. As an international player it happens a lot more than say the NBA or MLB or NHL. Players like Daniil Medvedev play for Russia and live in Monaco, as does #10 Holger Rune and #3 Alexander Zverev. Women's #1 Aryna Sabalenka plays for Belarus and lives in the US. And #10 ranked Elena Rybakina was born in Russia, plays for Kazakhstan, and lives in UAE. #5 Mirra Andreeva plays for Russia and lives in France. So this happens a lot. But I will say this, while I think it is quite important to note the resident country, it really isn't as notable to note the resident city. If the only change was to the documentation page that said "country of residence" that might be a reasonable compromise and is about 100x more easily sourced. Not sure the Project would go for it though. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:40, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Note Something I should point out in this topic, that I have noticed a while back is that the information on city/country of residence is often not updated or updated with a very big delay.
    For example, Luisa Stefani used to live in Wesley Chapel, Florida but after she got injured at the semifinal of the 2021 US Open – Women's doubles she returned to her home city of São Paulo and has been living there since, but for quite some time the infobox still said Wesley Chapel.
    So, if the outcome of this discussion is to maintain the infobox as it is with the city and country of residence kept, we should pay more attention on updating it as we already do with other types of information. Haddad Maia fan (talk) 07:54, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note Wow... this is a massively used Tennis Project template and you invited editors from a previous Infobox Person template discussion? That could poison this RFC before it begins as it looks like canvassing. I'm actually in shock you did that. And did you post this where it matters most... at the WikiProject Tennis talk page and think to perhaps ping its active members? No... nothing. So that isn't everyone. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:37, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    you need to calm down. I invited EVERYONE involved in the previous discussion, not just those I agreed with. And I was in the process of posting on the talk page. This rfc has been live for all of 5 minutes. seriously calm down. - Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 06:41, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry but with your previous accusations I am not happy with your attitude at all. And there was no previous discussion here. You invited people from a different discussion. Oh and the RfC you posted after my post... all it says is there's an RfC going on. No context at all. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:48, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Note And more, we haven’t reached any consensus or conclusions about this topic at least for now and an editor is already deleting the residence information on the players infobox, as if we somehow agreed that it would be what we should do Haddad Maia fan (talk) 07:39, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    While they certainly jumped the gun in changing our template without discussion and in then removing the attribute from many articles, once I complained and started a topic here, they stopped, put back the template, and started this rfc. I would have started a discussion at Tennis Project first to see what the lay of the land was before jumping into an rfc and inviting editors from other discussions, but Zackmann08 hasn't removed anything since my initial complaint. I'm more process driven that this Tennis Project template needed to be looked at by active members of the project before changing. If members decide to remove resident= from allowed parameters then that's what happens. If we decide to tweak it to country only that's cool too. And if we keep it as is for lack of consensus no problem there either. As long as it's vetted by the Tennis Project so they have a say and are informed that this is happening, I abide by the outcome. To be honest, if we keep it, I might open a discussion at the project talk page to see if we want to change the documentation to say "country only." I think the nation is all we really need. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:30, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Residence seems transient, and would possibly become outdated info without constant maintenance. Thus, it could be viewed as unreliable info by readers. I don't recommend including it in the infobox. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 17:00, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @FieldMarine: While true that it can get outdated, using that train of thought will create huge problems for many sports infoboxes. Why? Every year or two a person could move, they don't do it every month. But what other vital info is in the infobox? The players ranking, which changes weekly if you arent in the top 10, and every month if you are. Their head coach also changes more readily than residence does. Their career prize money changes after every tournament they play. Their singles record changes after every match. Quite often a new infobox image is plopped in every year. Shall we also remove all those things from a players infobox? We include their best results of the four grand slam tournaments also... that can change up to four times a year too. Now if you want all those things removed along with residence, your statement makes perfect sense...but if not then residence gets changed far less often. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:29, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As a follow up, the transient nature of residence is only one concern with that info in the infobox. Adding this info without reliable refs would be another concern. @Fyunck(click): would you say all the info you mention above is current on all the people with this template? Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 19:02, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@FieldMarine: Absolutely not. There are folks that seem to love updating that stuff every week, and I sure let them do it. But it's also why we have a note at the bottom of the infobox to let readers know the last time it was updated. Quite often the source for where they live is in the personal section of the article... at least that's where it is supposed to be. I also, many of the other items may get updated in the infobox but not the source because editors don't seem to like sourcing as is required. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:22, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with @Fyunck(click) and would also like to add that only birthplace, birth date, death place and death date are the informations that never could be altered or changed, because even the players names can sometimes change.
Furthermore, to address the concerns of the infobox being outdated or incomplete, I would point out that this is an issue that can even happen for retired or deceased players articles, for example, for a long time there was no mention of the Maria Bueno’s pan American games medals that she won on her infobox and she died on 2018 and wasn’t even playing since 1977, so I added that information there.
To sum up, I would argue that claiming we should exclude a player’s place of residence from the infobox simply because it might become outdated is not a valid justification, because I see it as more of a case of carelessness or inattention from editors, something as simple as that. Haddad Maia fan (talk) 19:38, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If the info is not reliable, accurate or is outdated, how is it useful information for a reader? Semper fi! FieldMarine (talk) 19:58, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
More so how, how is this information WP:ENCYCLOPEDIC?? Where/when a person is born is encyclopedic, what country they represent in sports is encyclopedic, how they are performing in the sport (titles won, current record, winnings, etc) are encyclopedic. Where they currently reside? What city their current house(s) is/are in? That is not encyclopedic information for anyone other that celebrity stalkers. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:03, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that Daria Kasatkina curently resides in Melbourne, for example, is not trivia or any simple information. Including the place of residence a player is living tells a lot of politics, culture, economics and a lot more. Haddad Maia fan (talk) 20:09, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Special case because she actually changed her nationality to Australian. Tvx1 00:27, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with your point, but I also think that's true for so many other pieces of information on an infobox, many of which change much more frequently than where they live, and we aren't getting rid of those. Legendofmv (talk) 19:48, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Which parameters come to mind? This is a big point for me, and I don’t tend to see many parameters in infoboxes that could become outdated as easily. (For instance, people get divorced, and that would need updating, but in most cases that’s more likely to be the subject of media coverage than when someone moves house.) — HTGS (talk) 20:29, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again I also think the issue here is WP:NOTABILITY & WP:ENCYCLOPEDIC. What value is knowing where someone currently lives? More specifically, why is it notable and encyclopedic for Tennis players but NOT for the hundreds of thousands of people covered by {{Infobox sportsperson}} and {{Infobox person}} and the over 100 other person infoboxes that do NOT have this parameter? Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:35, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I mean we put the rankings, prize money, and win-loss records in the biography boxes and those can change weekly Legendofmv (talk) 20:35, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Legendofmv: they absolutely can! By those are notable and encyclopedic values. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:58, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As I said earlier, the only information on an infobox of an active player that can never change is where and when this player was born, everything else can change Haddad Maia fan (talk) 21:01, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And the year they turned as a professional player, but all the rest can change Haddad Maia fan (talk) 21:03, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If, for example, the residence of a tennis player is important because of politics, wouldn’t that be better if covered in the body with a reliable source than the reader making an assumption about it from info in an info box? Semper fi! FieldMarine (talk)<
Well, actually, everything in all Wikipedia Infoboxes should be covered in prose and have sources. The infobox is an amalgam of the most pertinent data. Again by that logic we should not include all those things I listed above like ranking or win-loss record, and I don't agree with removing those items either. And residence isn't only important because of politics... it also determines which country's tennis association you could belong to. You can't even play as a professional without the backing of a country's tennis association and that happens with citizenship or residence. If you don't get that backing you don't get a registration card and you can't play. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:09, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, sure. But only the country of residence matters for that purpose, not the town. Moreover, it’s not that black and white as your example of Osaka, who doesn’t reside in the country she represents, demonstrates. Tvx1 00:22, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Tvx1: Which is why I mentioned above that perhaps a compromise could be to only use the country and not the city. The country is the most important aspect. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:22, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: If the discussion has only started now, why has the residence category been removed from articles such as Alex de Minaur and Alexei Popyrin. QWisps (talk) 00:40, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Because the editor that did this thought that a very old discussion, that has nothing to do with this one, was what it would take for him or her to just go about every article he or she wanted and with no discussion just delete all of this information Haddad Maia fan (talk) 00:48, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @QWisps: as I stated in the intro to the RFC For the record and for full disclosure, I initially went ahead and removed it as I felt that the 2 RFCs made it clear that this change was to be made. That removal was objected to fiercely by another editor who felt I had overstepped.
    I genuinely thought there was clear consensus on the issue already as 2 separate RFCs had settled with near unanimous consensus. The change to this template has been reverted and I have tried to revert the changes where I removed the parameter from articles. I obviously didn't get them all. Haddad Maia fan's lack of WP:AGF is noted.
    I have reverted my edits in the two articles you linked to. I would like to point that I did specify in my edits on those (and all other articles) exactly what I was doing and why (I liked to the RFC).
    I own my mistake! Had I had any sense this would be legitamately objected to, I would not have gone forward. I honestly thought that two separate RFCs on this issue was enough for WP:CONSENSUS.
    To be clear, no more |residence= will be removed (at least not by me) unless THIS RFC also ends with clear consensus. --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 00:56, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm definitely not assuming anything, just noting that it had been changed and not reverted on two pages that I closely follow. QWisps (talk) 01:02, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    gotcha. if you find anymore, please revert them, or ping me and i will! Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 01:02, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • For two days almost every tennis player article I edited displayed an error for |residence=. I did remove a few before noticing User:Zackmann08 made that change on October 21 with an edit summary "removing support for residence per consensus", where the consensus was for {{Infobox person}}. So I stopped removing |residence=, figuring it would get reverted. I do support removing it if that is the consensus on this page. Many of tennis player articles I edited had the same location for |residence= and |birth_place=. I believe many of those may be inaccurate and they are usually unreferenced. -- Zyxw (talk) 01:03, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Out of curiosity, I searched for other biography infoboxes which support |residence=. They include {{Infobox officeholder}}, {{Infobox religious biography}}, {{Infobox Christian leader}}, {{Infobox martial artist}}, {{Infobox Latter Day Saint biography}}, {{Infobox badminton player}}, {{Infobox poker player}}, {{Infobox squash player}}, {{Infobox Magic: The Gathering player}}, {{Infobox disc golfer}}, and {{Infobox real tennis player}}. -- Zyxw (talk) 01:50, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Zyxw: what I think is more telling is that of the 158 Templates in Category:People and person infobox templates, ONLY 12 of them still support |residence=. I would argue that is because no one has taken the time and effort to remove that parameter following the 2 RFCs cited above. If extremely notable people who have rather famous residences like Oprah don't get the |residence= on their Infobox (note there is an entire section on Oprah's page dedicated to her residence), I see absolutely nothing that distinguishes tennis players as being unique from the 146 infoboxes that have had the parameter removed. This idea that with tennis it is very common to play for one nation and live in another doesn't make their place of residence WP:ENCYCLOPEDIC content.
    I think Moxy said it perfectly at the second RFC. Completely non-educational unless you're some sort of celebrity stalker. There is zero encyclopedic value in the location that a tennis player currently resides. --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 04:03, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leaning towards oppose: It being outdated isn't enough of a basis to remove it as someone mentioned prior. There's a plethora of top players who do not live in the countries they represent/represented too such as Andrey Rublev and Daria Kasatkina that used to live and train in Spain, and numerous players like Daniil Medvedev, Jannik Sinner and Holger Rune live in Monaco (assumably for tax benefits). Furthermore, location is oftentimes a deciding factor in which country a player chooses represent internationally. For example: Ajla Tomljanović lived in Australia and that factor was what led her to represent Australia in 2014/2018 onwards and Kasatkina's residence in Melbourne was also a deciding factor in her switching to respresnting Australia in 2025. I don't have particularly strong opinions on keeping the city, but I feel a bit stronger about the notion that the country of residence is useful, and relevant to know at first glance (the purpose of the infobox). I do think there's an issue for sourcing this information, particularly when a source is not in English, but that is something that could be fixed and simply omitted if unknown. —QWisps (talk) 01:08, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    It was the other way around for Kasatkina. Her wanting to represent Australia was a deciding factor in her changing her permanent residency. Tvx1 00:00, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: most people in general do not reside where they were born with athletes being an even more special category as they live, train and play at different locations (tennis, golf etc..) and different teams (soccer, baseball, basketball etc…). They also change nationality like Maria Timofeeva for example, Russian Moscow-born player that just started representing Uzbekistan, therefore now resides in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. Sashona (talk) 18:00, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Sashona: given that two separate RFCs have already nearly unanimously agreed to remove this parameter from {{Infobox person}} (552,000+ uses) & {{Infobox sportsperson}} (130,000+ uses), AND that of the 158 people and person infoboxes, only 12 still support this parameter, what makes Tennis so special? Additionally to your point about Maria Timofeeva being born in one place and representing another... There already is (and remains) |place_born= |birth_place= & |country_represnted=. What value is |residence= that is not provided by those two parameters? For Maria Timofeeva for example you have her birth place in the infobox, you also have the 2 countries she has represented with the appropriate dates in the Infobox... Why do you also need the place that she currently resides? What am I missing? Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 23:31, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Place-born is not really used but “birth_place” and “residence” are. The residence is related to the country represented but not all the time, like Grigor Dimitrov or Novak Djokovic who live in Monte-Carlo, Monaco but do not represent Monaco. Actually Djokovic has multiple residences according to his profile. There is nothing “special” about Tennis, it concerns all sports played internationally and also any regular person who have a different residence then where they are born. Sashona (talk) 23:58, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Sashona: sorry I meant birth_place. My typing got ahead of my brain. I have struck and corrected my comment. --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 00:18, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note - It looks like some are upset at "template Infobox golfer" that residence= was also removed without consensus. These things should really be discussed at the proper WikiProject talk page to gauge consensus in changing locked templates. They should never be changed without discussion at the project level no matter how good intentioned. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:28, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    That too has been reverted. I think I've already made clear that I was under the notion that there was clear consensus after TWO SEPARATE RFCs. Clearly people feel the need for a custom RFC for each template... Fyunck(click) I will say this for the last time, having said it here at least 3 times and to you privately on my talk page. I am sorry for how I went about this. I genuinely thought the 2 previous RFCs were enough to have settled this issue. Now can we please stop talking about the mistake I made in the process and instead focus not the actual merit of whether this parameter is WP:ENCYCLOPEDIC or not? --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 23:34, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Largely neutral, lean support While I don’t see anything problematic about the parameter that would warrant its full removal, none of the people opposing have brought a proper argument as to why it holds encyclopedic relevance. The reality is that these tennis players travel all around the world almost their entire careers. They hardly use their “fixed” residences. They are just irrelevant for almost all of them. Heck, Dustin Brown lived in a campervan he used to travel to his tournaments. He literally brought his “residence” with him to wherever he played.Tvx1 23:52, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    It is not just tennis players, it is golfers, soccer , basketball , baseball players etc…. Sashona (talk) 00:01, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Sashona: I would point out that at the moment, only tennis and golfers have the |residence= param.... SOccer, basketball and baseball certainly do not. Nor do football or hockey or many other sports. --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 00:20, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure what that has to do with the price of eggs. Different projects and sports have different needs and wants and we are not a cookie cutter. There are things other projects use in their infoboxes that we don't. As long as it's not breaking some Wiki policy the infoboxes have a lot of leeway, and there's nothing wrong with that. You make it sound like it's some taboo and it's not. It's very possible that this could be brought up again and changed in six months regardless of the outcome this go around, as that happens at Wikipedia. Having that flexibility is what Wikipedia is all about. We just have to make sure we update their abode when we update other things in the infobox. Dustin Brown should be left as blank or where he lives in the short off-season. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:30, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Those sports you mentioned don’t have this information for a very obvious reason, which is that athletes from team sports most of the time change residence when they change their teams, they can have a fixed residence that they go in the of season, but many of them live on the city/town where their respective teams train or somewhere close. So that is why on articles about athletes from those sports you mention do not have this type of information on the infobox Haddad Maia fan (talk) 20:03, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    It would be irrelevant to say that a FC Barcelona player resides in Barcelona for example, because that is to be expected Haddad Maia fan (talk) 20:05, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    But that say a Belgian tennis player resides in a Belgium isn’t? Tvx1 20:35, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    No, because with athletes of individual sports people usually don’t expect that they reside on a specific place because in many of those individual sports you never compete while representing an specific sports club or institution, it is you representing yourself or some country Haddad Maia fan (talk) 20:58, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    So then why would people expect an individual place of residence to be listed in these infoboxes? Tvx1 22:05, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I think you didn’t get what I meant, I said that people don’t expect that we include where an athlete of team sports reside because of the obvious reasons I stated, whereas because in many individual sports athletes do not represent an institution or club, people don’t tend to expect that the athlete resides in an specific place, so this is one of the reasons it is included Haddad Maia fan (talk) 22:12, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Your still not making sense. If people don’t expect them to live in a specific place, then why would they expect a specific place to be listed in the infobox?? Tvx1 07:45, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    We include it there exactly because they don’t expect an specific place, that’s why. If it was trivia we wouldn’t include that there, as it is the case with almost every athlete from team sports, because it is irrelevant to say that an Arsenal F.C. player resides in London but not that a tennis player that was born in São Paulo, Brazil resides in Barcelona, Spain, like it is the case with Laura Pigossi, for example. Haddad Maia fan (talk) 07:54, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    That is what I said, there is absolutely no confusion here Haddad Maia fan (talk) 08:01, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    There is a lot of confusion. You keep contradicting yourself. Listing a specific residence when people don’t expect one makes zero sense. And for the vast majority of them the information is just as irrelevant. Where they own a residence just doesn’t matter for almost all of them. Tvx1 19:26, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I am not! I literally said that the only ones that have a expectation on their residence are the ones from team sports and the ones that don’t are from individual sports and that is why they don’t have this information on infoboxes about athletes from team sports. There is no way to be more clear than that and it is not my problem if you still can’t understand something so simple as this Haddad Maia fan (talk) 21:31, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Mostly neutral, but learning opposed. As long as we can verify that the information is correct, I see no reason that pages shouldn't have the box or at least have the option to have it.
One argument I'm seeing a fair bit is that tennis players travel so much that they don't have a residence, but I think that's precisely why we should keep it. Because most of them do have a residence despite the constant travel, and they have families and lives outside of tennis. There is no "home arena" or such for tennis players, for them, that's where they live Legendofmv (talk) 19:46, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Legendofmv: I would just point out that of the 11,000+ tennis biographies, 55 of them have a SOURCED residence... Based on your comments, it would seem we should remove the values from the other 6,100+ that have that value unsourced. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:01, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure about that? many will have it sourced in the article body, where it should be if possible. And until recently the ATP and WTA also listed the residence, and all the players have a link to that for extra bio info. So it's more like, if we have the source we should use it and if we don't we don't. We'll tag those with no source and ask for an update. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:09, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, it’s better to tag it requesting for a source than to just delete everything just because it doesn’t have a source Haddad Maia fan (talk) 20:20, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Fyunck(click): what I am certain of is that there are 6,100+ Tennis biography articles with unsourced residence in the Infobox and only 55 of them with a reference. You are correct, it could be sourced in the body of the article. That is totally true and I acknowledge that. But the links I provided show clearly that an ENORMOUS number are unsourced. So this idea that "well we should include it if it is verified" really doesn't hold water because it is almost never verified. Now if you can provide us with a search showing that I'm mistaken and that in many or most cases it IS cited and verified, I will GLADLY strike my comments and publicly acknowledge that I was wrong. I'm not above being proven incorrect (frankly it happens often, that's how I learn), but my search terms are pretty clear.
@Fyunck(click) and Haddad Maia fan: Now if you want to tag bomb 6,100+ pages with {{cn}}, feel free. I'm sure that if I did that, you would accuse me of disruptive editing so I'm not about to do it. --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:21, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We'll see how this discussion goes. But if we keep it, I would not be averse to tagging all those residence= with {{citation needed}} if it's possible to do that. That's the type of thing that when I see it, it makes me look for a proper source. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:45, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well then we should source them. But we shouldn't remove something just because it'll take a lot of work to fix it. Legendofmv (talk) 20:33, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Legendofmv: that is totally valid. If the issue was JUST them being unsourced, I would 100% agree with you.
But again I think the real issue here is WP:NOTABILITY & WP:ENCYCLOPEDIC. What value is knowing where someone currently lives? More specifically, why is it notable and encyclopedic for Tennis players but NOT for the hundreds of thousands of people covered by {{Infobox sportsperson}} and {{Infobox person}} and the over 100 other person infoboxes that not only don't have this parameter, but have specifically had it removed following the RFCs? That is what I still do not understand. The fact that Tennis players move a lot doesn't make it encyclopedic... Actors for example, move all the time! They reside in different countries for extended periods of time when they are filming a movie. That doesn't make it Encyclopedic or Notable to include in the infobox. I would again point to Oprah who has an entire section on her page devoted to her very notable residence. That doesn't mean it belongs in her Infobox per the 2 separate RFCs linked to above. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:39, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I mean I'd say it's valuable for them too. But I think you can learn a lot about a person from where they live, and certainly more than you can from where they were born (although I do understand why that's included for its own reasons). And the locations of tennis players aren't necessarily based on where the player is from or where they want to live, a lot of the time it's because of tax reasons (like Monaco or Dubai) or where there are training centers or for political reasons or whatever it may be. Legendofmv (talk) 20:51, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Then prose is a far better tool to convey that instead of an infobox. Tvx1 22:07, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, Wikipedia has this bad habit that when something on an article article is badly written or badly sourced/not sourced, most editors will prefer to just go and delete everything instead of trying to rewrite or find a source. I really don’t see how we could ever benefit from this Haddad Maia fan (talk) 20:41, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree with Zackmann here. Take Roger Federer for example. The body of his article details three residences, but for some reason the infobox arbitrarely lists just one. The reality is that these people rarely have a single residence. Tvx1 20:51, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately for this point, many people (including myself) don’t think it’s necessary to put the citation in the infobox, so long as it’s well-covered in the body. — HTGS (talk) 20:44, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I am a bit late to this discussion as I did not know it was happening until now but in my opinion if something isn't broken then don't fix it. As has already been pointed out with the examples such as Naomi Osaka, Daniil Medvedev and Daria Kasatkina, residence is relevant and we should keep it in as long as it is sourced. Shrug02 (talk) 21:02, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Shrug02: I would encourage you to really read through this discussion. You assert that it should be kept as long as it is sourced. That is only done on 55 pages. So you think the value should be removed from the other 6,100+ pages? Also, what makes it notable for tennis players but not for any other person? Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 21:07, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Zackmann08 I have read the entire discussion and yes I think anything on Wikipedia that is not sourced should be removed. I spend a large amount of my time on here adding citations to unsourced content. As for why it is relevant for tennis players and not other people, I never said that was the case. I am saying residence is, and has been for as long as I have been editing Wikipedia, included in tennis player infoboxes and I see no reason to remove it. As for other sports infoboxes that is irrelevant to this discussion. Tennis infoboxes include whether the subject is right or left handed but swimming, football and many others do not. I am not lobbying for that to be added to those templates. I am simply responding to the suggested removal of part of the tennis player template, and as I said, if it isn't broken then don't fix it, and the tennis player template isn't broken. Shrug02 (talk) 21:17, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    But I do agree with Zackmann08's suggestion that we tag in bulk all the residence's without a source in the infobox. They may have sourced it already in the body of the bio, but a tag lets folks see it and fix it. If a few months go by without a source then it must be removed. I still feel that all we may need is country, not city, but I'll do what the rest of my fellow tennis editors believe is the best fit. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:45, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep, so long as it is made clear that the parameter is only used in bios where this clarity is needed. Currently the documentation gives users no clue how to use it; at Roger Federer it is totally unnecessary, but still filled out no doubt because it is the infobox equivalent of an attractive nuisance. I would also strongly prefer to see it adapted to “country of residence” to help with this, and to keep the parameter on focus and less likely to fall out of sync with reality. (NB, my support for the parameter is still weak, even if these changes to its scope/purpose and the doc are made.) — HTGS (talk) 22:04, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The player's personal residence is less relevant to other parameters in their profiles, such as |country=. This removal is also consistent with the approach taken in other infoboxes, like {{Infobox football biography}}, {{Infobox racing driver}}, etc. Unnamelessness (talk) 03:23, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal, nothing in this discussion has showed that this infobox is different from those in previous discussions or that residence has an encyclopaedic relevance. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 12:06, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral (leaning towards support). The fact that it is currently (very) poorly sourced is in itself no reason for removal, provided it can be reliably sourced. As someone who mainly edits within the tennis project I have been somewhat ambivalent towards having this field in the infobox. I don't object to it, but also see no great encyclopedic value in it. Perhaps not enough value to warrant placement in the infobox. During their career players are highly transient and after their career I doubt this information is being kept up to date by reliable sources (with the possible exception of the most famous ex-players). This is even more an issue now that both ATP and WTA no longer list the residence. If we do feel this info is useful for our readers would it not be sufficient to add it to the personal life section? Even that does not always happen, see e.g. Caroline Wozniacki, who has three residences in her infobox, but none are mentioned (or sourced) anywhere else in the article.--Wolbo (talk) 17:07, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The images of tennis players seem to be smaller than those with other infoboxes, such as Infobox person. (for example Jannik Sinner vs the size of James Watson) Can it be changed to be the same size? FMSky (talk) 14:32, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. I don't see a reason for this inconsistency. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:16, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Because it was discussed that standard wikipedia consensus has always been 220pixels which equates with .8 upright. Someone went and changed standard upright to some god-awful 250 without discussion which bloats the photo in the infobox. Now we have to go back and actually are-add the upright=.8 to all the infobox pics. This was done here 6 months ago upon request and can be overridden if needed by using the upright= command. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:16, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]