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@Some1 you recently reverted my expansion to the template and gave weird reasons for it. Firstly: "We don't need to list alternative names since they link to the same article". The alternative names are there for clarity, as different people have different vocabularies. Secondly: "and zillennials is not a major generation". You just made a lot of people angry :P For one, it is an established micro generation and should be included on a template named "generations sidebar". For two, this template is used on the Zillenials article, and this it is weird to not see it featured. Blockhaj (talk) 03:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Generation XY is unsourced, and adding alternative, non-common names (such as Generation Y, which is rarely used in RS) just adds clutter to the sidebar. "Millennials / Generation Y" (which you added, for example) both link to the Millennials article. By "major generations", I mean the well-known ones such as those currently listed in the sidebar, not micro-generations (e.g. Xennials, Zillennials). I suppose we could always add micro-generations to this sidebar, but doing that would be giving three micro-generations undue prominence in the sidebar (WP:UNDUE). Some1 (talk) 03:46, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Generation Y is literally featured on the template image and use the same format as i did (name / gen). And both linking to the same article is beside the point, as i stated, the alternative names are there for clarity, as different people have different vocabularies. Blockhaj (talk) 03:52, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just because the image features alternative names doesn't mean the sidebar list has to follow. If readers see "Millennials/Generation Y" in the image and sees the Millennials link in the list, they can put two and two together that Generation Y is an alternative name for Millennials. Some1 (talk) 04:00, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sure but thats not a practical rule of thumb, since the image is small and unreadable without clicking on it first. I still see no reason not to feature both naming schemes on the template, but i can agree that it is slightly more cluttered. Rather, would it not be better to scrap the iregular list and feature some form of table which can show timespans and both naming schemes? Blockhaj (talk) 04:16, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure how that would work or what that would look like exactly. Can you post the table here? I'd also like to add that we have Template:Generation, which are already included in these micro-generation articles. Some1 (talk) 04:21, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Something akin to this?

Period Serial name Trivial name
1946–1964 – Baby Boomers
1965–1980 Generation X –
1981–1996 Generation Y Millennials
1997–2012 Generation Z Zoomers
2013–2024 Generation Alpha –
2025–2039 Generation Beta –

--Blockhaj (talk) 04:37, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Beside the table, the Template:Generations is featured at the bottom of the articles, and still, Template:Generations sidebar is featured on both Xennials and Zillennials.--Blockhaj (talk) 04:40, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How would you add the table to the sidebar? I'm thinking we could model the Generations sidebar to be similar to Template:Feminist philosophy sidebar, for example, but without the collapsible list. See: [1] for example. If there's a way to make the lists expand (unhidden) by default, that would be ideal. Some1 (talk) 04:54, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I experimented with that, but i ran out of time and scrapped it for the moment. If you wanna take a crack at it then that would be great. Blockhaj (talk) 05:07, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I updated the sidebar with the collapsible lists style. I don't know how to expand the Cusp groups list though, but I'll look into it more tomorrow. (Or maybe that list doesn't need to be expanded at all?) Some1 (talk) 05:25, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]