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On 12 June 2025, it was proposed that this article be moved to Zoot suit riots. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Downey Boys? Williams Ranch, Texas?

This sentence makes little sense: Both men and women were attacked by the so-called "Downey Boys," and both pachucos and pachucas came back to the 38th Street neighborhood where they had been beaten and moved onward to Williams Ranch when they found an empty 38th Street..

• Who or what were the Downey Boys? They are not referenced anywhere else in the article, nor is there an article on the subject elsewhere in the encyclopaedia.
• Where did the people referenced go? The link is to a place in Texas that does not appear to have survived into the 1940s. Are we saying that the zoot suiters moved from LA to a defunct ranch in rural Texas? Why?
• Which also raises the question, 'came back to the... neighbourhood' from what or where? Whilst we try to nail down the destination, can we clarify the starting point?

I don't want to WP:BOLD the statement away, as I suspect there is some rather cool info hidden beneath the confusing phrase. For some reason, I cannot access the RS cited, and I cannot for the life of me figure out what the info was meant to be. Any suggestions? Cheers, Last1in (talk) 12:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Last1in, I've reworded that para per the source. The wikilink for Williams Ranch was incorrect. (I used archive.org to access the page in the source that discusses the incident.) Schazjmd (talk) 13:55, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 12 June 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. I regret creating this move request, I should have done more research on the name format. (non-admin closure) DCAllStar (talk) 01:59, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Zoot Suit Riots → Zoot suit riotsZoot suit riots – Capitalization of "zoot" and "riots" is unnecessary as seen in 1992 Los Angeles riots and Watts riots. DCAllStar (talk) 13:21, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject California/Los Angeles area task force has been notified of this discussion. DCAllStar (talk) 13:22, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Technically, the proposal should be to Zoot suit riots, as "zoot suit" is not a proper noun so only the first word in the title should be capitalized. Anyway, oppose move. A search of google books, newspapers.com, and academic journal papers (via Wikipedia library) shows a consistent capitalization of all three words when referring to the group of incidents. Schazjmd (talk) 15:51, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. Seems this is consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of sources per Schazjmd and my own Google search and Ngram.[1][2][3][4][5] --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 01:55, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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