Talk:Sunni Islam in Iraq
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Split suggestion into a general religious article and an ethnic page
[edit]This article focuses on two distinct topics worthy of their own separated articles. A large portion of this article is about a distinct ethnic group that Sunni Islam is the primary identifier of (the Sunni Arabs of Iraq). While another portion of this article just focuses on the general demographics of the Sunni sect in Iraq which spans multiple ethnic groups, such as Kurds and Turkmen. Babylonian1963 (talk) 08:37, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support. I don't know why there wasn't articles titled "Iraqi Sunni Arabs" and "Iraqi Shia Arabs" from the start. Aside from religion, their cultures and dialect and everything is also different. The Sunni-Shia divide affects Arabs, Kurds, and Turkmens equally so I think the "Sunni Islam in Iraq" and "Shia Islam in Iraq" articles should be ethnically neutral while the "Iraqi Sunni Arabs" and "Iraqi Shia Arabs" be about the groups. Ilamxan (talk) 03:30, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: I don't think we need to split the article since the article's title is already shown it's neutrality and mentioned all the Sunni nationalities that live in iraq. when it comes to an article about Iraq, None of the Turkmens, Kurds, and Arabs should have separated articles about something related to a topic in Iraq. R3YBOl (🌲) 06:48, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- Upon further reading, there is just way too much issues with treating Sunni Islam in Iraq as a monolith. The article has no useful information on Kurds and Turkmen besides very basic details. You can find alot more on Kurdish and Turkmen pages. The history of Sunni Islam in Iraq is not contiguous. Kurds and Turkmen never cared much about sectarianism like Arabs did. Iraqi Sunni Arabs and Iraqi Shia Arabs are not just Iraqi Arabs who follow different sects, their entire history is different. And the historical borders of Iraq are unrecognizable from the British drawn modern borders of Iraq. Ilamxan (talk) 15:03, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- This page should be formally split into 2 seperate articles. A new article for the Iraqi Sunni Arab ethnic group and keeping this article for the sect in general in Iraq. I have discussed this further in the discussion below. Babylonian1963 (talk) 06:56, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Upon further reading, there is just way too much issues with treating Sunni Islam in Iraq as a monolith. The article has no useful information on Kurds and Turkmen besides very basic details. You can find alot more on Kurdish and Turkmen pages. The history of Sunni Islam in Iraq is not contiguous. Kurds and Turkmen never cared much about sectarianism like Arabs did. Iraqi Sunni Arabs and Iraqi Shia Arabs are not just Iraqi Arabs who follow different sects, their entire history is different. And the historical borders of Iraq are unrecognizable from the British drawn modern borders of Iraq. Ilamxan (talk) 15:03, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: If this article is kept and not merged into Islam in Iraq, then there's absolutely no reason to create two separate articles as this one is already too small. And I'm not sure about Ilamxan's claim that "Kurds and Turkmen never cared about sectarianism like Arabs did". Mullah Krekar, Ansar al-Islam and Kurdish Salafi jihadism was one of the main issues in Iraq and a number of prominent Iraqi Turkmen Sunnis such as Abdul Nasser Qardash were involved in Islamist sectarianism. I would oppose having two separate articles, only if this one, Sunni Islam in Iraq, was merged into Islam in Iraq, then it would be suitable to have a different Iraqi Sunni Arabs article. Currently, Iraqi Sunni Arabs should remain a redirect to Sunni Islam in Iraq. FujaFula (talk) 16:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support Sunni arabs are widely seen as one of Iraq’s “ethnic groups” along with Shias & Kurds. (despite being heavily diverse religiously & ethnically) Idk2716639 (talk) 03:10, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
Merge proposal into Islam in Iraq
[edit]The Islam in Iraq article is much of a stub and poorly written. As such, I propose this should be merged into Islam in Iraq because this article itself is quite small and very unnecessary, considering the fact that there's not a single other article on Wikipedia titled "Sunni Islam in...". In the articles on Islam by country, such as Islam in Iran, Islam in Syria, Islam in India etc. Sunni history and Shia history is written separately, and thus this can be easily merged into Islam in Iraq. FujaFula (talk) 23:28, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: We should keep this article for the same reason we have a separate article on Shia Islam in Iraq. What makes this even more important is that, unlike most Muslim countries, Sunnis are a minority in Iraq (compare with Shia Islam in Saudi Arabia and Shia Islam in Egypt). Skitash (talk) 00:04, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- As with Iraq, Sunnis are also a minority in Iran and Azerbaijan, but we do not have a separate article titled Sunni Islam in Iran and Azerbaijan. Instead we have a significant portions of the Sunni minority covered in Islam in Iran and Islam in Azerbaijan. Just see the current status of this article, more than half of the information it this is about Sunnis in Saddam and post-Saddam Iraq. This can be merged into Islam in Iraq imo. FujaFula (talk) 00:32, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose I believe that the Iraqi Sunni Arab part of this page should be formally split into a seperate article from the general sect. As it is about a distinct ethnic group on which their sectarian affiliation is the primary and most recognized identifier. This is not purely a sectarian article, as the topic of the Sunni Arab ethnic group is a part of it. There is a very distinct, Iraqi Sunni Arab identity and culture that is not directly tied to the sect itself but the region and culture that Sunni Arabs primarily inhabit. As stated in the article, Sunni Arabs are viewed as a seperate ethnic group in many situations and have a distinct history from other Arabs in Iraq. I would say that I am quite confused as to why a new article wasn't created to handle this topic, instead repurposing the sectarian page which causes a lot of problems. But I believe this topic is very much worthy to be considered notable enough to have a page of its own. As Sunni Arabs in Iraq are a very historically significant group in the modern Middle East, who are often at an injustice of being portrayed as simply a religious affiliation in foreign media. Babylonian1963 (talk) 06:25, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Creating a separate 'Iraqi Sunni Arabs' article is a different topic, for which you started a discussion above. You're message is almost entirely directed towards the Iraqi Sunni Arab ethnoreligious group, not this sectarian article. What I proposed was merging this sectarian article into Islam in Iraq as this is quite useless, most of the information in this about Iraqi Sunni Kurds and Iraqi Sunni Turkmens are already found on the Iraqi Kurds and Iraqi Turkmens articles themselves. Same with the Iraqi Sunni Arabs part, nothing much specific in this article. FujaFula (talk) 12:39, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose I believe that the Iraqi Sunni Arab part of this page should be formally split into a seperate article from the general sect. As it is about a distinct ethnic group on which their sectarian affiliation is the primary and most recognized identifier. This is not purely a sectarian article, as the topic of the Sunni Arab ethnic group is a part of it. There is a very distinct, Iraqi Sunni Arab identity and culture that is not directly tied to the sect itself but the region and culture that Sunni Arabs primarily inhabit. As stated in the article, Sunni Arabs are viewed as a seperate ethnic group in many situations and have a distinct history from other Arabs in Iraq. I would say that I am quite confused as to why a new article wasn't created to handle this topic, instead repurposing the sectarian page which causes a lot of problems. But I believe this topic is very much worthy to be considered notable enough to have a page of its own. As Sunni Arabs in Iraq are a very historically significant group in the modern Middle East, who are often at an injustice of being portrayed as simply a religious affiliation in foreign media. Babylonian1963 (talk) 06:25, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- As with Iraq, Sunnis are also a minority in Iran and Azerbaijan, but we do not have a separate article titled Sunni Islam in Iran and Azerbaijan. Instead we have a significant portions of the Sunni minority covered in Islam in Iran and Islam in Azerbaijan. Just see the current status of this article, more than half of the information it this is about Sunnis in Saddam and post-Saddam Iraq. This can be merged into Islam in Iraq imo. FujaFula (talk) 00:32, 25 June 2025 (UTC)