Talk:Stonewall riots

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Include why the police claimed they were raiding stonwall

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I think it's unfair to portray this event in the light that it was an anti gay raid in a string of anti gay raids that is not true and not the reason for it. Stonewall was a Mafia bar that was pimping boys on wall street using blackmail and smuggling drugs, the media portrayal of the event as a anti gay bust under false pretenses is not congruent with reality. 222.155.101.213 (talk) 22:20, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why would the famously corrupt New York City Police Department be opposed to organized crime and prostitution? Wasn't that the main source of income for the police officers? See the main article on History of the New York City Police Department:
    • "In 1970, the Knapp Commission, created by Mayor John V. Lindsay to investigate systemic corruption in the NYPD, found evidence of widespread corruption and made numerous recommendations to address it.[1]"
    • "Lindsay's action was also prompted by a front-page exposé in The New York Times on April 25, 1970 that documented a vast scheme of illicit payments to police officers from businessmen, gamblers and narcotics dealers.[2] "
    • " The Knapp Commission Report on Police Corruption categorized two types of corrupt police officer: "Grass Eaters" and "Meat Eaters". This classification scheme distinguished petty corruption under peer pressure ("eating grass") from aggressive, premeditated major corruption ("eating meat").[1]"
    • "The term "Grass Eaters" described police officers who "accept gratuities and solicit five, ten, twenty dollar payments from contractors, tow-truck operators, gamblers, and the like but do not pursue corruption payments".[3] "Grass eating" was something that a significant number of officers were guilty of, and which they learned to do from other cops or from imitating the deviants they watched and investigated every day. The Commission concluded that "grass eating" was used by NYPD officers to prove their loyalty to the "brotherhood", and with that came incentives like side jobs.[4] One method to prevent cops from becoming corrupt was to remove the veteran cops who indulge in corrupt practices. Without veteran cops to emulate, new officers might never learn to "eat grass"."
    • "Meat Eaters" described officers who "spend a good deal of time aggressively looking for situations they can exploit for financial gain".[3] An example was shaking down pimps and illicit drug dealers for money. The Commission noted that Meat Eaters "justified this extortion by marginalizing their victims as criminals and undeserving of police protection."[4]" Dimadick (talk) 17:05, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please read David Carter's book Stonewall. Martin Duberman's too. This information is covered there and does not have the weight you are implying. Moni3 (talk) 02:38, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b Armstrong, Michael F. (2012). They Wished They Were Honest: The Knapp Commission and New York City Police Corruption. Columbia University Press. ISBN 978-0-231-15354-6 – via Google Books. Cite error: The named reference "Armstrong" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  2. ^ Burnham, David (25 April 1970). "Graft Paid to Police Here Said to Run into Millions". The New York Times.
  3. ^ a b "Report Says Police Corruption in 1971 Involved Well Over Half on the Force". The New York Times. 28 December 1972.
  4. ^ a b Fagan & MacDonald 2013, p. 262.