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Moved from User talk:Jeraxmoira § Service Corps of Retired Executives
 – Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you are a very busy Wikipedia editor but I am extremely disappointed that you have chosen to place this article in draft mode because you feel that it "needs more sources to establish notability". First, with regards to notability, this organization was created by an act of the United States Congress in 1964. It has over 350 offices throughout the U.S. has 10,000 volunteers and has given free business advice to over 10,000,000 business since its creation nearly 60 years ago. Who in the U.S. has not heard of SCORE? Regarding sources, all of this is extensively documented in a dozen reliable sources in the article which include:

I have been a Wikipedia editor for over 18 years and I have edited over 3,000 pages and written 31 articles. I have never had this experience with any other reviewer and I am at a complete loss as to how I should proceed. BuffaloBob (talk) 23:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi BuffaloBob, It doesn't matter who has created the organization, as it needs to pass WP:ORG to be notable. The number of offices, volunteers and the fact that people have heard about SCORE do not make it notable.
Here is my source eval.
The external links that you have added "How to become a Certified SCORE Mentor", "How to request free business advice" and the other press releases only makes it look like the intention was to promote SCORE.
Feel free to submit the article for a review, another reviewer may evaluate it. Thank you Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like the encyclopedia source lists a bibliography that almost certainly meets NCORP. Moreover, while secondary vs tertiary can sometimes matter for questions of WP:DUE and precision, I would still generally count encyclopedia coverage itself as a viable GNG-building source (provided that the encyclopedia itself is reputable). signed, Rosguill talk 22:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Jeraxmoira; I believe that I have made the the requisite edits to meet with your approval. If you agree then I would request that you publish the article which would be more efficient than if I resubmitted it through the portal only to have another reviewer take the time that you have already invested. If you are not in agreement please be more specific at to what you feel is inadequate. BuffaloBob (talk) 18:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As Rosguill mentioned, just by using the sources that the Inc. used in their article will make this notable. AfC is not necessary, so feel free to move it back to mainspace when you are sure it's ready. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 19:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Jeraxmoira, have you actually marked the page as "reviewed'? BuffaloBob (talk) 18:59, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, I have not. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 19:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possible source

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@BuffaloBob:, @Jeraxmoira:

Hello. I indirectly came across this talk page via one of Jeraxmoira's edits. I found a research (review) article pertaining to SCORE and I am wondering if this would be useful or acceptable as independent sourcing. Here is link to this article online [1]. At the bottom of the first page of the article (p.525) you will notice the name, volume number, and issue number -- of the publication -- along with the page numbers (525-548). It also has a DOI number. Well, check it out. The Hein Online database is how I accessed this in the first place ---Steve Quinn (talk) 15:30, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first part of this Washington Post article may be useful [2]. The first part discusses SCORE and the problems it faces. The second part is an interview with the VP of that organization at that time. Not sure if the any of the interview would be useful. It can also be accessed via Gale. The document number is: GALE|A392105250. The title there is "SCORE has a plan to stay relevant" ----Steve Quinn (talk) 15:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Steve, thank you so much. Your suggestions are helpful. BuffaloBob (talk) 21:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to SCORE

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I propose the article be renamed "SCORE (Service Corp of Retired Executives)". SCORE uses the acronym and not the organization's original name on their website. The change reflects the inclusion of volunteers who are not retired or were not an executive.Sandcherry (talk) 15:08, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this recommendation. If I had thought of it when I created the page I would have done that. I don't believe that I have the authority to make this change. BuffaloBob (talk) BuffaloBob (talk) 15:48, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I made the change. Thanks for creating the article.Sandcherry (talk) 17:26, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Title change was reverted by Pppery. Formal request was added below.Sandcherry (talk) 12:00, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 September 2025

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Service Corps of Retired Executives → SCORE (Service Corp of Retired Executives) – SCORE transitioned from the original name to SCORE to reflect the inclusion of individuals who are not retired executives. Using an acronym is a common practice such as IBM, KFC, and 3M. Sandcherry (talk) 11:56, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per WP:Acronym (name)/WP:Article titles#Avoid ambiguous abbreviations. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:30, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support SCORE changed the organization's name to SCORE similar to Kentucky Fried Chicken changing their company name to KFC. Both are consistent with Wiki's article naming policy. SCORE uses the SCORE name on government filings including their tax returns. The Small Business Administration, SCORE's partner, refers to SCORE as SCORE and not Service Corp of Retired Executives. Since SCORE is "known primarily by its abbreviation and that abbreviation is primarily associated with the subject (e.g. PBS, NATO, Laser)", I support the change with the former name in parentheses.[1][2]Sandcherry (talk) 12:14, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    As the nominator it's implied you support your own nomination, and hence "Support" in bold is unneeded and causes confusion. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:10, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I provided additional information supporting the move including refuting your implication that the name change violates Wiki article naming policy. Do you have any other reasons for opposing the move?Sandcherry (talk) 16:59, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The problem is that the abbreviation is not primarily associated with the subject, which is proved by SCORE being a disambiguation page. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:20, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.score.org/newyorkcity?set-location=218&consent=all
  2. ^ https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/521067290/202541839349300419/full,
  • Oppose per Pppery. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 04:06, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but recommend the name change to "SCORE Association" as this is currently the legal name of the organization which was change to SCORE Association in 2004. In the article it should me noted that the original name was Service Corp of Retired Executives and that it was changed to SCORE Association on March 5, 2004. A redirect page of Service Corp of Retired Executives to SCORE Association should be established.

[1][2] BuffaloBob (talk)

I support your recommendation. Using an organization's current legal name instead of its former name is consistent with WP:Common sense. Since SCORE Assocation is primarily associated with the subject and not an acronym, your suggestion should satisfy * Pppery *'s concerns.Sandcherry (talk) 17:33, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal If there are no objections to BuffaloBob's recommendation, I will rename the article "SCORE Association" and close out this discussion next week.Sandcherry (talk) 12:14, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please leave the act of closing this discussion to someone who is not WP:INVOLVED. * Pppery * it has begun.... 17:28, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have any reasons to oppose the recommendation? Sandcherry (talk) 19:58, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ https://cis.scc.virginia.gov/EntitySearch/BusinessInformation?businessId=116147&source=FromEntityResult&isSeries%20=%20false
  2. ^ https://cis.scc.virginia.gov/EntitySearch/Index#/