Talk:Samurai

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Some changes were made regarding "vagueness" with reference to the talk page. I actually don't understand it. The talk page, especially this discussion shows that there is some vagueness surrounding. The main part of the change was to remove "bushi" from the first sentence. There are several sources that say that bushi and samurai and used interchangeably in English, and that samurai is used to refer to every Japanese warrior. So now the lede doesn't match the article. I think this could be split into a bushi article and a samurai article. The Samurai article would mostly be about the Edo period Samurai and the Bushi article would be about Japanese warriors in general. The main difficulty I see in this, is that many sources treat samurai to mean Japanese warriors from the late Heian period onward, and not just warriors that were vassals. This is also the case for some Japanese sources. Does anyone know of another solution? DrGlef (talk) 15:21, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Hemiauchenia @Koriodan, I would appreciate your participation in this discussion. DrGlef (talk) 17:52, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2025

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2nd sentence of the "Kamagura shogunate"-section: change Heiji Incident link to Heiji rebellion

3rd sentence of same section: move comma to be after 'that', edit Taira Kiyomori to Taira no Kiyomori, and link Taira no Kiyomori's page: "After that, Taira no Kiyomori practically controlled the court." Chyrion (talk) 10:55, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Day Creature (talk) 15:59, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2025

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Under "invasion of Korea": Change "In spite of the superiority of Japanese land forces," to "All reaching strategic stalemates on land," Change "The causes of the failure included Korean naval superiority (which, led by Admiral Yi Sun-sin, harassed Japanese supply lines continuously throughout the wars, resulting in supply shortages on land), the commitment of sizable Ming forces to Korea," to "The causes of the failure included the Korean-Chinese allied forces' naval superiority (which, led by Admiral Chen Lin and Yi Sun-sin, harassed Japanese supply lines continuously throughout the wars, resulting in supply shortages on land), the commitment of sizable Chinese forces armed with advanced artillery and professional cavalry to Korea,"

Change "During the second campaign in 1597, Korean and Ming forces proved far more resilient and with the support of continued Korean naval superiority, managed to limit Japanese gains to parts of southeastern Korea." to "During the second campaign in 1597, Korean and Chinese forces proved far more resilient and with the support of continued naval superiority of the allied fleets, managed to limit Japanese gains to parts of southeastern Korea." AnthonyRampart (talk) 05:46, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 15:50, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Potential wording change regarding samurai usage of gunpowder weaponry

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In the last paragraph of the introduction where the abolishment of the samurai during the Meiji Restoration is discussed, there is the statement "The samurai specialized in pre-gunpowder weapons that took years to master" when expanding on how modern firearms require less training and therefore commoners are able to be enlisted to use them when needed. This last point is clearly valid, but changing the wording of the quoted portion to exclude "pre-gunpowder" as samurai during the Sengoku and Edo periods specialized in multiple types of gunpowder weaponry - matchlocks, cannons, etc as primary weapons. Training and mastery of these weapons was required, and did not enjoy the ease of use that modern firearms do.

Therefore the proposed change is: "The samurai specialized in pre-gunpowder weapons that took years to master" to "The samurai specialized in weapons that took years to master". This small change early on in the page would help lessen further propagation of the incorrect understanding that samurai didn't use gunpowder weaponry as primary weaponry before the Bakumatsu period. 2001:1970:482B:4100:A3B6:A06F:3347:1FFC (talk) 01:37, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The samurai did use gunpowder weapons but so could peasants. When rifles came along, the traditionsl weapons became obsolete, which meant that the army could make do with peasant soldiers. Kurzon (talk) 04:56, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2025

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In the samurai ranks section, hizamurai (Ordinary Samurai) should be changed to jizamurai (Samurai of the land) Keverclin159 (talk) 22:19, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Could you provide a reliable source that asserts this information? Element10101 AIW WPI TOLT ~ C 19:40, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: Closing this edit request as no reliable source has been provided. Day Creature (talk) 16:47, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]