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Former good article nomineeQuebec was a Geography and places good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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July 4, 2011Good article nomineeNot listed

Atlantic and Arctic Oceans???

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@FrancSoisD and Freshacconci: I'm not sure Quebec is "flanked by" any oceans. Am I missing something? Magnolia677 (talk) 19:25, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the changes strictly because of the note about discussing changes. Better to keep things as is until consensus is found. Otherwise, I'm not certain. Does being flanked by Ungava Bay mean it cannot also be flanked by the Atlantic which is just right there. The article on Labrador for example states that it is on the Atlantic Ocean, but between the Atlantic and Labrador is the Labrador Sea. For a general introduction, positioning Quebec geographically along the Atlantic makes more sense to non-specialists than just the more obscure Ungava Bay. Not sure about the Arctic Ocean, as that seems to be further way. In either case, this is outside my area of knowledge. freshacconci (✉) 20:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Freshacconci & @Magnolia677, by many geographers' views, Quebec isn't flanked by / adjacent to any actual oceans.
Regarding the Atlantic Ocean, Quebec's eastern maritime regions are contiguous to the Gulf of St. Lawrence, yet separated from the Atlantic by the islands of Newfoundland, St. Paul and Cape Breton. For a ship leaving the province, the ocean is only accessible through the straits of Belle Isle, Cabot and Canso (small vessels only). The north-eastern Quebec part of the Labrador peninsula is also separated from the Atlantic Ocean by the Labrador side of the peninsula, as well as Nunavut's Resolution Island, which somewhat "encloses" the strait at its eastern end, hence separating it from the Labrador Sea. From the north of the province, a ship would have to go through the Strait of Hudson to access the Labrador Sea (which could effectively be considered as part of the Atlantic Ocean, since it isn't enclosed on its south side connecting with the ocean).
Regarding the Arctic Ocean, a widely accepted definition is that its southern limit lies on the Arctic Circle. Yet other definitions exist, but some of them can be contested as they're not coherent with how oceans are usually defined. For instance, no geograph would ever consider the Caribbean Sea to be part of the Atlantic, since a barrier of islands marks the separation between both bodies of water. Same shall apply to the Arctic archipelago. FrancSoisD (talk) 10:36, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 2025 March 19

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Please make the following edits to the infobox:

  1. Change pop_est_as_of to "Q1 2025"
  2. Change population_est to 9111629
  3. Change pop_est_ref to <ref>{{Cite web |date=March 19, 2025 |title=Population estimates, quarterly |url=https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710000901 |access-date=March 19, 2025 |publisher=[[Statistics Canada]]}}</ref>

128.32.146.111 (talk) 21:25, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done Valorrr (talk) 04:32, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discovery of Quebec

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In 1608, following earlier expeditions along the St. Lawrence River, Samuel de Champlain, commissioned by Sieur de Monts, undertook a mission to establish a permanent French settlement. After returning from New France in 1607, Champlain provided detailed maps and reports to Sieur de Monts, who resolved to continue exploration and settlement efforts despite previous hardships. Champlain was appointed as lieutenant for the voyage, tasked with wintering in the new territory while a companion vessel conducted trade with Indigenous peoples. King Henry IV granted Sieur de Monts exclusive rights to trade furs in New France for one year to support the expedition financially, prohibiting other French merchants from trading in the region under penalty of confiscation of vessels and goods. In May 1608, Champlain and his crew reached Tadoussac, a small harbor at the mouth of the Saguenay River, facing challenges including violent weather and conflict with Basque traders who resisted the royal monopoly. Despite these difficulties, Champlain was determined to establish a settlement and maintained peace with rival traders temporarily, intending to resolve disputes through French courts. This marked a crucial step in the foundation of Quebec and the permanent French presence in North America. 2603:8000:101:CC6D:4CBB:D8C2:6BE8:AFF3 (talk) 18:07, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Detail

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@Safyrr: This article is meant to provide a high-level overview of Quebec - the level of detail here is overall excessive, and in particular discussion of what motivated the Age of Exploration is better discussed at a different article. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:48, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You finally posted on the talk page! I agree that this is not an article meant to focus on the details of European exploration. But, it also doesn't? This is only a single sentence. If you remove it, it would seem that France begins to explore New France and colonize it for no reason. Also the British and Spanish are involved later, also for no reason apparently. This is what I've been working on in recent edits, to improve the flow so the events leading into one another connect a bit more and make more sense instead of just seeming like "this random thing happened in 1834". As for detail, well Newfoundland's history section is more detailed and long than this one. Safyrr 18:05, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you on that last point, but that's not a reason for this one to be the same. We have multiple other articles, not to mention a standalone article on the history of Quebec, to talk about all of the motivating factors for European involvement in North America; that just isn't the purpose of this article. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:10, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to not be addressing what I said and just repeating your opinion...
1) This is a single sentence so you really gain nothing by removing it, like shortening the article. What is actually harmful about this sentence?
2) This sentence improves flow by providing context. Readers should not need to click to multiple different in-depth articles in order to understand why something in the one they are reading now is happening. Especially if only a single sentence is all that is needed to provide that understanding. Maybe you believe that the Age of Exploration details is common knowledge, and that is why you think it should be removed? You seem to be suggesting that the History of Quebec article is why the sentence should not be included. But, then, if we extrapolate this logic, why include a history section in the main article at all? Why not just redirect to that article and be done with it? And its not like 21 words is excessive detail that needs to be moved there.
3) Taking your logic, if Newfoundland's length and detail doesn't matter, because Quebec's has no reason to be the same, then why would other articles' omissions or shortness matter either? Safyrr 18:28, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
1) I don't agree with your contention that this sentence belongs here, and removal of misplaced sentences is a benefit, even if a small one individually.
2) We cannot explain everything in a single article. If readers don't know anything at all about the Age of Exploration, they are unlikely to know why the Byzantine Empire mattered to trade routes, meaning that this sentence introduces confusion rather than clarity. Also see next point.
3) What I'm referring to here is our guideline on summary style, which describes how for a high-level article like this one, details are deferred to more specific child articles. This allows the main article to provide an accessible overview while providing a pathway for readers who want more detail on this subtopic. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:59, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Quebec's" listed at Redirects for discussion

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The redirect Quebec's has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 27 § Quebec's until a consensus is reached. A1Cafel (talk) 14:26, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect statement about housing prices

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'Since the 1980s, the average price of a single-family home has doubled every 10 years, going from $48,715 in 1980 to $424,844 in 2021.'

The previous statement is factually incorrect. It would take a doubling every 13.2 years to reach the price of 424,844 in 2021 if we start at 48,715 in 1980. 208.96.227.233 (talk) 00:42, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]