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Vandalism under Jats header

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Hey, vandalism is being done under Jats header in this article. Same stuff which was removed multiple times by other editors has been added again in Jats header.

Please remove "Moreover, Jats earned the zamindari from Mughals by submitting their daughters as tribute. As a result of this, the Jat clans who made this transaction were organised into a relatively higher social grade vis-a-vis their own brethren as they would only take daughters from other Jats but would only give their daughters in Mughal harem. Such grades came to be known as Akbari Jats, Jahangiri Jats, Shah Jahauni Jats and Aurangzebi Jats deriving from the regnal name of Mughal monarch in whose reign these leading Jat families made any such transaction. Such grades came to be known as Akbari Jats, Jahangiri Jats, Shah Jahauni Jats and Aurangzebi Jats deriving from the regnal name of Mughal monarch in whose reign these leading Jat families made any such transaction.[126][127][128]"

Source for said verbatim is Punjab Gazetter 1911 which is not considered reliable source. Apart from that content used in Gazetter was originally written by D.Elliot in his reports and under the Jahangiri,Akbari jat stuff in footer D.elliot clearly wrote that "It needs not too be said that Akbar, Jahangir etc never took Jat wives" so according to WP:RS ambiguous and non-verifiable claims are not suited for wiki articles.

And please remove "Moreover, Jats earned the zamindari from Mughals by submitting their daughters as tribute. As a result of this, the Jat clans who made this transaction were organised into a relatively higher social grade vis-a-vis their own brethren as they would only take daughters from other Jats but would only give their daughters in Mughal harem." because citized sources don't mention anything about "Jats earned the Zamindari from Mughals". It's clearly self authored non-verifiable claim.

I would also like to suggest that there's no need for a seperate section for "Jats" just like Rajput, Maratha, Mughal,Sikhs sections were not mentioned seperately, so "Jats" section should be removed imo as it doesn't have much reliable content anyways. Amitdabas123 (talk) 00:21, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

29th March, I would like to put it here that unsourced and contentious stuff that was removed by LukeEmily on 12th of March was reverted back vandal on 15th of March without any source for said contentious stuff. Vandal was later again seen engaging in disruptive behaviour with other editor. Amitdabas123 (talk) 22:27, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Please also refrain from hastily accusing editors of vandalism, which has a specific meaning on Wikipedia. Perception312 (talk) 15:20, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Perception312 I don't think there's need for consensus given that cited statements aren't backed by any source, you can check the sources yourself for the quoted statement, again it's not backed by sny source mentioned and made out of FreeWill Amitdabas123 (talk) 15:44, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the parts that didn't seem supported by the source. Perception312 (talk) 16:24, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Perception312 the changes made by you to make this article neutral and NPOV have been reverted back all together. Please look into it and fix it again. Amitdabas123 (talk) 16:00, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@HistorianAlferedo, please provide a source for the material removed in this edit [1] which you restored. The existing citation doesn't seem to support those parts. Perception312 (talk) 16:46, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have once again removed the unsupported material [2] until a source is provided, per WP:BURDEN. Perception312 (talk) 00:37, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Gokula case from this article

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This article is about political marriages in india, which are done to improve political and economic relations. But in case of Gokula Jat, his daughter was married with mughal after Gokula execution by aurangzeb, as part of the punitive measures taken by the Mughal authorities against rebels.[1] quotation (The Jat leader's limbs were hacked off one by one on the platform of the police office of Agra, his family was forcibly converted to Islam, and his followers were kept in prison in charge of the provost of the imperial camp.) @LukeEmily, @RevolutionaryPatriot, @Fylindfotberserk. TheSlumPanda (talk) 18:25, 30 May 2025 (UTC) TheSlumPanda (talk) 18:25, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TheSlumPanda: That doesn't look like a 'political marriage' judging from the quotation. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:50, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@HistorianAlferedo, is adding again this Gokula daughter marriage here. I request editors to participate in this talk for consensus TheSlumPanda (talk) 13:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just saw it. This editor also reverted the changes made by Perception312.
It's a well established fact that Gokula's daughter marriage was not a "political" marriage. Her father was murdered, her father didn't gain anything from it. It should be removed. Amitdabas123 (talk) 16:03, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So far I see no reason to include the material in this article. Perception312 (talk) 16:57, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TheSlumPanda:, I agree with you that this is not a political marriage.LukeEmily (talk) 22:23, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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