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Add final sentence to Production section

Since March 2024, there are now at least two factories manufacturing keffiyehs in Palestine. Hala Palestine partnered with a textile factory in Nablus to begin producing Nablus Keffiyehs. ^[1] Vsthill14 (talk) 07:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

1. https://halapalestine.com/pages/faq-common-questions

 Not done for now: We generally do not use the website of a business to discuss that business. We should add this information if you can find a source that is independent of Hala Palestine talking about it. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 19:30, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Request to add to the end of the Production section.

A second factory in Palestine acquired an antique keffiyeh loom and began producing keffiyehs in 2024. This textile factory in Nablus was originally founded in the 1950's by Marwan Al-Nabulsi, also known as Abu Bassam.^[1]. ^{[2] [3] [4] [5]} Vsthill14 (talk) 22:39, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done These are all store pages. For something to be included in a Wikipedia article, it should be discussed in a reliable source that's independent of what's being added. If there are any major news outlets writing about this, that would be a good reason to add it. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:29, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hirbawi makes the most of its status as “the last keffiyeh factory in Palestine” but in late 2023 a competitor emerged in the shape of the reborn Alnabulsi Textile Factory. It was founded in early 1950s by the al-Nabulsi family in the West Bank city of Nablus (and thus is also known as the Nablus Textile Company). It enjoyed some success as a manufacturer of school uniforms, as well as keffiyehs, but the Israeli occupation, with its severe restrictions on movement and access to raw materials, forced its closure in 1985. In late 2023, the factory resumed operations, and keffiyehs are now available for purchase online. The Palestinian headscarf: so many people have one but where are they made? – Middle East Monitor Charles R Arthur (talk) 10:38, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a reliable source The Palestinian headscarf: so many people have one but where are they made? – Middle East Monitor

The relevant paragraph is this

Hirbawi makes the most of its status as “the last keffiyeh factory in Palestine” but in late 2023 a competitor emerged in the shape of the reborn Alnabulsi Textile Factory. It was founded in early 1950s by the al-Nabulsi family in the West Bank city of Nablus (and thus is also known as the Nablus Textile Company). It enjoyed some success as a manufacturer of school uniforms, as well as keffiyehs, but the Israeli occupation, with its severe restrictions on movement and access to raw materials, forced its closure in 1985. In late 2023, the factory resumed operations, and keffiyehs are now available for purchase online. Charles R Arthur (talk) 11:26, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

1. https://www.paliroots.com/products/nablus-classic-kufiya#productTabs1
2. https://palestiniansoap.coop/products/nabulsi-kufiya
3. https://www.alardproducts.com/products/palestinian-flag
4. https://www.middleeastbooks.com/products/the-nabulsi-palestinian-black-and-white-kufiya
5. https://bayyara.co.nz/products/traditional-palestinian-kufiyya

Date Error for Reference 5, edit request

The date shown for the citation on-site is November 2, 2007. The article cited is February 11, 2007. I have suspicion to believe that the user who added the citation made an error when inputting the date.

It currently shows in References as:

5. Kim, Kibum (2 November 2007). "Where Some See Fashion, Others See Politics". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 12 May 2021.

It should be edited to say:

5. Kim, Kibum (11 February 2007). "Where Some See Fashion, Others See Politics". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 12 May 2021. Damnits (talk) 05:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Section POV tag: Popularity with pro-Palestinian activists

I have never seen a section that starts with criticism before it even talks about the topic of the section. This needs to be addressed. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:02, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I moved the criticism to a new subsection at the bottom of the current one, it's at least a little bit better. AlexandraAVX (talk) 12:48, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Popularity with pro-Palestinian activists: split into two sections or generalise?

The current section talks about both the use as an explicitly activist statement and as a more general fashion item. This makes the section a bit disjointed, since we talk about criticism of appropriation in the same section where we talk about it being used as a symbol of activism. Presumably the criticism of it being appropriated is not of pro-Palestinian activists wearing keffiyehs at protests. Should we split them up or should it be made a more general "Popularity outside Palestine/the Middle East/etc." or something similar? AlexandraAVX (talk) 12:51, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source Fictions

I just deleted a paragraph in which nothing was substantiated by the two cited sources. I marked another paragraph with a "citation needed" tag because, while the information is correct, it's again not supported in any way by the reference given. Over the past few weeks, we’ve been revising the article—originally imported from here—for the German Wikipedia ([1], [2]); during that process, I noticed that most of the Arafat paragraph isn't supported by the cited sources either. I haven’t made any changes to that yet. I also haven’t systematically checked the references in the other paragraphs, but after reviewing these three, I don't have much confidence in the sourcing overall.

We are not finished with the revision on de:Wiki yet; once we are, though, there will be very little left of the original en:Wiki article. What do you think would be better—should I gradually replace poorly sourced paragraphs with translations from the de:Wiki article, or should I import the entire de:Wiki version into en:Wiki, effectively replacing the current article with that text (since we also gave the article a different structure that aligns better with the reliable sources)? DaWalda (talk) 10:03, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If there's not anything here that's reliably sourced but missing in the de:Wiki version, I think a wholesale replacement is fine. AlexandraAVX (talk) 18:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]