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view · edit Frequently asked questions Q: Why is the attack not marked as a "Hamas victory" or "Israeli victory"? A: After a long discussion involving over 40 editors, it was decided that the result of the attack has no consensus. In the discussion, there was a split consensus for the attack being a "Hamas victory" and for the attack's result being "Inconclusive".

This article was nominated for deletion on 13 October 2023. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Ein HaShlosha massacre was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 10 December 2023 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into October 7 attacks. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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This article has been mentioned by multiple media organizations: Steve Apfel (June 28, 2024). "A legend for Jewish advocacy fell into a hole it dug for itself". Israel National News. On its page for the October 7 attacks Wiki respects the removal from its charter of, "antisemitic language and shifting focus from Jews to Zionists." Benjamin Hart (December 2, 2024). "Jimmy Wales on Why Wikipedia Is Still So Good". Intelligencer. AI has gotten to be quite good at multiple languages, and what I did use it for is to compare pages in English, Hebrew, and Arabic about the October 7 Hamas attack. That was super-interesting, and I found it very useful. It basically said the English one is very, very neutral and the others tend to take one side or the other. Taylor Herzlich (2025-03-18). "Dozens of Wikipedia editors colluded on years-long anti-Israel campaign, bombshell ADL report claims". New York Post. More than two dozen Wikipedia editors allegedly colluded in a years-long scheme to inject anti-Israel language on topics related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the Anti-Defamation League claimed in a bombshell report released Tuesday & screenshot of a diff from this article

On 9 April 2025, October 7 attacks was mentioned on Twitter, a high-traffic website. (Traffic) All prior and subsequent edits to the article are noted in its revision history.

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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination. Discussions: Article redirected before RM was completed, 7 October 2023, from Operation Al-Aqsa Flood to October 2023 Gaza-Israel clashes, see discussion. Moved, 20 November 2023, from 2023 Hamas attack on Israel to 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel, see discussion. Not moved, 26 January 2024, from 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel to 7 October attacks, see discussion. Moved, 15 June 2024, from 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel to 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel, see discussion. Not moved, 11 October 2024, to 7 October attacks, see discussion. Moved, 22 December 2024, from 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel to October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, see discussion. Not moved, 24 January 2025, from October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel to October 7 Hamas-led Genocide on Israel, see discussion. Moved, 11 March 2025, from October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel to October 7 attacks, see discussion.

Section sizes Section size for October 7 attacks (48 sections) Section name Byte count Prose size (words) Header Total Header Total (Top) 41,656 41,656 375 375 Name 7,094 7,094 40 40 Background 10,061 33,934 188 1,188 Warnings 923 923 24 24 Events leading to the attack 7,618 7,618 229 229 Operational planning 8,166 8,166 290 290 Israeli intelligence failure 7,166 7,166 457 457 Attacks 2,592 113,848 118 2,355 Participating and supporting organizations 2,203 2,203 122 122 Rocket fire 4,463 4,463 151 151 Incursions into southern Israel 55,414 94,836 563 1,528 Nova music festival 8,780 8,780 240 240 Kfar Aza 2,569 2,569 74 74 Be'eri 8,279 8,279 134 134 Yakhini 4,332 4,332 71 71 Ein HaShlosha 5,195 5,195 105 105 Psyduck music festival 1,185 1,185 74 74 Re'im military base 3,013 3,013 75 75 Nir Am 2,134 2,134 47 47 Ofakim 3,110 3,110 97 97 Rahat 825 825 48 48 Failed plans 1,733 1,733 112 112 Hostages taken 8,021 8,021 324 324 Casualties 28,418 37,886 945 1,233 Identification of remains 2,559 2,559 193 193 Revision of casualty numbers 6,909 6,909 95 95 Reported atrocities 97 47,552 0 2,489 Sexual violence 23,025 23,025 1,075 1,075 Torture and mutilation 21,663 21,663 1,129 1,129 Unsubstantiated reports of beheaded babies and children 1,789 1,789 188 188 Use of hostages as human shields 978 978 97 97 Israeli counterattack 4,785 17,549 209 1,146 Friendly fire and use of the Hannibal Directive 12,764 12,764 937 937 Reactions 16 44,991 0 2,292 Allegations of genocide 4,006 4,006 97 97 Palestinian response 30 13,818 0 729 Hamas 6,412 6,412 335 335 Palestinian Authority 4,221 4,221 225 225 Palestinian public opinion 3,155 3,155 169 169 Israeli response 6,219 15,157 279 612 Capture and interrogation of militants 7,092 7,092 255 255 Arab Israelis 1,846 1,846 78 78 International 11,994 11,994 854 854 See also 432 432 0 0 Notes 819 819 0 0 References 30 30 0 0 Further reading 381 381 0 0 External links 1,605 1,605 0 0 Total 347,777 347,777 11,118 11,118

Reference ideas for October 7 attacks The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future: "Detailed findings on attacks carried out on and after 7 October 2023 in Israel" (PDF). OHCHR Human Rights Council: Fifty-sixth session. United Nations. Retrieved 20 August 2024. Rubin, Shira; Dadouch, Sarah; Hendrix, Steve (October 16, 2023). "How Hamas's carefully planned Israel attack devolved into a chaotic rampage". The Washington Post. Archived from the original on October 16, 2023. Retrieved October 17, 2023. See #Hamas Document below. (but this is actually a statement from Abbas' PA) https://twitter.com/pmofa/status/1710630801379922370

This Wikipedia article quotes a figure of 36 children killed, but the reference given says 38.

I haven't seen any explaination of this, so I'm going to presume it was an error and change the child death toll from 36 to 38 to match the figure in the reference (38 children were killed, 20 orphaned on Oct. 7: 'The state did not pass the test of protecting them' | The Times of Israel - 'According to data released by Israel National Council for the Child, 38 children were killed in Israel on October 7 during the Hamas-led terrorist onslaught.' - Times of Israel). If the actual child death toll is in fact 36, and not 38, please change it back and provide a reference to support the 36 figure. MathewMunro (talk) 04:59, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Edit request 2 September 2025 Change charges of "genocide" to "possible genocide"

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The citations for the genocide claim all say "possible genocide"

Change "According to several international law and genocide studies experts, Hamas' assault amounted to genocide.[58][59][60]"

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"According to several international law and genocide studies experts, Hamas' assault possibly amounted to genocide.[59][60]" Remove source 58 as that source covers both Gaza and the Israeli response.

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"According to several international law and genocide studies experts, Hamas' assault amounted to genocide.[58][59][60]"

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Mcdruid (talk) 23:25, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. A potentially controversial change of this nature will require consensus first. I will note that the sources do not say "possible genocide": the letter the sources are reporting on refers to the attacks as "most probably constitut[ing] an international crime of genocide." Day Creature (talk) 12:23, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At best, it should be "probable genocide" then. Note that ref 58 does not support that at all, and refs 59 and 60 refer to the same report. Mcdruid (talk) 21:08, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source 58 literally says: "The massacres by Hamas constituted acts of genocide." - not probable genocide. Lova Falk (talk) 14:51, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Background section: Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005. While they control the borders and airspace, they are not actively occupying Gaza. Sources: https://www.britannica.com/event/Israels-disengagement-from-Gaza, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_the_Gaza_Strip, https://www.un.org/unispal/history/ GallopingSheep9 (talk) 18:35, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Quoting the template, "the request must be of the form "please change X to Y"." --Yamla (talk) 19:49, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed removal of possible propaganda site

I propose to remove the link to saturday-october-seven.com on the bottom of the page as it seems to be part of a propaganda campaign by Netanyahu.

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Laura240406 (talk) 18:49, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 19:09, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing here indicates that it is a propaganda site, just that Netanyahu is encouraging people to open the link and see the atrocities. The link has been there for a year a half and it should be restored. Nehushtani (talk) 06:06, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Jerusalem Post article I linked clearly states: The QR code is part of a broader Israeli public-diplomacy push in New York this week. Dozens of billboard trucks and digital screens near the UN headquarters.

Also, the site is also just a gore site that hosts material that is very likely a copyright violation as it hosts videos produced by Hamas fighters on October 7th.

The New York times article I linked states: Some of the images and videos on the website appear to have been taken by attackers during the Oct. 7 assault.

WP:COPYVIOEL states: If there is reason to believe that a website has a copy of a work in violation of its copyright, do not link to it

Linking to the site would be along the lines of linking to an "October 7th" category on LiveLeak. Laura240406 (talk) 07:06, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]