Talk:Nishi-Tetsu bus hijacking

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...a cryptic thread in a thread on 2ch...

Changed first thread to threat, as i'm sure it was meant to be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Devillion (talk • contribs) 10:55, 16 April 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Identification

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"...he was identified and arrested...". How exactly was he identified, if using the site is anonymous? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.144.120.100 (talk) 17:13, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

IP address? This story needs a link to the thread. There should be an archive out there somewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.82.121.136 (talk) 17:04, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Thanks for the suggestion. Ashibaka tock 00:07, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

i scanned through the japanese article, and i have a few comments. first, i think it is important to stress this whole ordeal happened in 2000, when 2cha was apparently not even remotely as popular as it is today, and the incident probably had some influence on its' popularity. second: the english article states that the readers didn't believe neomugicha's boastings about him planing a hijacking, but this doesn't seem to be the case, according to the japanese wiki. neomugicha used a different nick before, cat-killer, and i'm not sure whether he was supposed to have said anything about a bus hi-jacking under that name (i suppose he must have). he then changed his nick to neomugicha and opened a new topic with only a seemingly meaningless one-liner: the topic was entitled "Saga prefecture, Saga, 17 year old"; and the opening post had nothing but "Hi hi hi hi hi" as the message. there was no way to know from this what he would do afterwards, and it was only a few hours later, when the hi-jacking was in progress, and the hi-jacker was described in the news as a 17-year old from Saga that someone noticed this post. the actual debate on lying in internet discussion forums apparently ensued later, in mass media. (third: neomugicha is apparently a rip-off nick, based on the nick of a somewhat famous 2cha contributor at the time, a guy calling himself mugicha).

i don't want to post this, because i'd probably have to rewrite the entire article...

oh yeah, one more thing - in answer to the question above: neomugicha also published his e-mail adress with the first (and only) post. this would be enough to identify him later. posting any sort of personal data is also highly unusual on 2cha. most of the contributors don't even anter nicks, so a post with a nick AND an e-amail address would be hard to miss. 213.172.254.20 04:12, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Date

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Nothing on when it happened? Not even a year? 81.23.48.7 20:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

tag

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I have tagged the article since whatever the article proposes in the reference section it's not clear a. what information is in there (inline citations are missing) and b. if this is bigger than a single event. 207.157.121.50 (talk) 19:25, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Notes for a potential rewrite?

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The article has a ton of issues and puts too much emphasis on the alleged connection to 2channel when, at best, only one citation supports this. However, I don't have the energy or motivation to conduct a full rewrite of this article and review every single citation. If anyone wants to take up the task of improving this article, here are my notes on what the Japanese Wikipedia article uses as a citation, not including dead links or book citations:

  • Sponichi Index (2000-05-08) - Suspect citing 'school bullying' as motive. Suspect was previously diagnosed with a 'mild mental disorder' around March, was admitted as a precaution despite the diagnosis that it wasn't necessary. Suspect had been collecting knives before the incident.
  • Academic Journal on Juvenile Crime (Ikushima, 2006) - Incident detailed on pages 263–264, provides a thorough explanation of events, being released from the institution that morning. Suspect's background is detailed (e.g. bullied into jumping from the second floor, abused the family dog, turned 'nocturnal' after his parents gave him internet access) and it lists seven possible motivating factors (e.g. a desire to inflict his pain onto others, how the internet ended up amplifying his antisocial thoughts, allegedly inspired by the murder of a housewife, sense of failure as he dropped out [of a private school?] after failing to enter his school of choice, the aforementioned school bullying being the underlying motive, wanted attention, felt betrayed by his parents). There is also the opinion that his parents were too overbearing. Section ends by detailing the internet's appeal (e.g. ability to post anonymously, ability to feel an 'omnipotent' self, ability to express one's true thoughts, ability to feel a sense of 'unity', ability to log off anytime).
    • The journal mentions the psychiatrist, Shizuo Machizawa, who seems to be the primary source pointing out that the suspect allegedly used the aliases, 'Cat Killer' (キャットキラー) and 'Neomugicha' (ネオむぎ茶), on 2channel and how the suspect allegedly wanted to make a 'Children's Kingdom' (こどもの王国) in Fukuoka. It seems like this came from an interview in the Asahi Shimbun around July 2000, but I can't verify this.
    • The alleged 2channel thread was posted at 12:18pm (archived), while the journal's timeline claims that he left on a bicycle *before 12:00pm* and the bus departed at 12:56pm. 2channel didn't have the 'tripcode' system until 2001 and it's unlikely that he would've been granted a 'capcode', so it's entirely possible that somebody was merely impersonating him within this timeframe.
  • BizSpa (2019-05-14) - On the second page, 2channel founder Hiroyuki Nishimura states in an interview that, while the incident had been cited as a contributing factor to 2channel's popularity in the 2000s, he claims that the police never confirmed that the suspect's IP address was accessing the website.
  • Asahi Shimbun Apital (2009-12-08) - Interview with the psychiatrist, Tamaki Saitō, who cites the incident to raise awareness of what he describes as the 'hikikomori' problem.

— Nameless(?) 04:42, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]