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@MrOllie There needs to be a disclaimer that the content involves fictional subjects. Otherwise this article is written in an in-universe style. Kuhnaims (talk) 15:30, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried to reduce the in-universe style as much as possible. Which part of the article do you think is still written in an in-universe style? Félix An (talk) 15:31, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2nd line, tracking Santa Claus, i think there should be an adjective to stress that Santa is fictional in context of NORAD, like mythical or legendary Kuhnaims (talk) 15:37, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There have been lots of discussions about this over the years, (particularly on the talk page of the main article about Santa Claus) and the consensus has been that words like 'mythical' and 'fictional' are not really accurate. Stylistically, we also should not repeat the same point multiple times, particularly in the opening sentences. The lead of the article clearly states that this is a simulation, and that is enough. MrOllie (talk) 15:36, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The lede sentence already uses the word "simulates" and the lede of Santa Claus uses the word "legendary." That is sufficient; while Wikipedia is not censored for children, we also don't need to bludgeon the fictional/legendary of Santa at every opportunity. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:37, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but how exactly is mythical/fictional inaccurate? You do realise Santa isn't real...? Kuhnaims (talk) 15:39, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Santa Claus is an exaggerated version of a real, historical person called Nicholas of Myra. Something that is 'fictional' originated in fiction rather than in history. MrOllie (talk) 15:47, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Santa Denialism

Santa Claus is a real person and he lives at the North Pole. Every Christmas Eve, he delivers presents to good children. NORAD tracks this activity as part of its general commitment to track objects within the North American airspace. Certain disaffected persons circulate the scurrilous and false notion that Santa does not exist based on a false concept called "scientism." NORAD tracks Santa, and it is very bad for North American air security to deny the existence of Santa Claus, because it is obviously false. If we can't trust NORAD, who can we trust? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7D68:4700:5093:B502:9BEE:B045 (talk) 09:57, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:FRINGE. Félix An (talk) 14:03, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, WP:SANTA specifically addresses this issue. BilCat (talk) 18:44, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add in WP:DNFT. Ravensfire (talk) 18:49, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Simulates

This edit is simply bad writing and confused phrasing. Please don't start up this edit warring about Santa all over again. It was disruptive last time around, and we don't need to go through it again. MrOllie (talk) 02:14, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The lead you are trying to restore was changed by someone who put "Keeping the magic just for today pls" (see the edit history). Wikipedia is not a website for that. Félix An (talk) 02:27, 14 March Félix An (talk) 02:31, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, please see the history of the talk page and you will see the many issues with this in the past (before I was actively editing Wikipedia). Félix An (talk) 02:32, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MrOllie see the essay Wikipedia:Why Santa is important. In a nutsell, "Santa Claus is not real, and it is not Wikipedia's job to censor this fact from children." JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 04:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]