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Photography Calling!

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Photography Calling! (ISBN 3869303794, OCLC 814275579) is the 400-page-plus catalogue of an exhibition of Parr and many others. So many others that I don't suppose it needs to be listed. OTOH it's so big that it might. (I haven't seen a copy.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:40, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

30 photographers represented... if we include this, are there huge numbers of other books with a photo or two by Parr that we should include? It seems too much to me if that is the case. We're getting to the point where we'll have a 'Publications of Martin Parr' article! (which might be a worthwhile idea) It's great to see it coming along so exhaustively. -Lopifalko (talk)
Yes, I only mention it here on this talk page because of the possibility that it includes something original or is otherwise noteworthy. -- Hoary (talk) 09:53, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It might indeed be a good idea. But if it were implemented, then I think one would also have to chase up significant publications within magazines. Perhaps these are noted within Val Williams' book; but whether a list is provided there or somewhere else I've no great appetite for copying the additional info into an article, however titled. (No offence intended to MP, but I've about had my fill for now of bibliographic inquiries related to his work.) And I'd guess that a number of these publications are more significant -- to people interested in photographs/photography, if not to the photobook retailing racket -- than a small minority of the publications we've assiduously listed so far. (Irrelevantly, have you noticed the impending publication of Errata "Books on books" Bad Weather?) -- Hoary (talk) 02:47, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
None of the photographer articles I've come across on Wikipedia includes such detail as listing magazine work, apart from where I've added them to Tony Ray-Jones, taken from the Russell Roberts book's very convenient bibliography. If I knew of somewhere to conveniently find such information it might be that it is an important part of a photographer's development - their first significant profile or interview in a magazine for instance.
Yes I had noticed the forthcoming Books on Books edition of Bad Weather. If the price is right then I will be interested, but am concerned it will be too small to appreciate. I was recently going to buy the Val Williams book but noticed that it too is about to be reissued so I am waiting for that. -Lopifalko (talk)
Offhand I can think of several significant and listworthy magazine contributions by other photographers: among them, a substantial chunk of a camera magazine (offhand I forget which) by Takanashi, preceding any of his books; and a substantial chunk of an issue of Creative Camera by Killip, preceding any of his real books (though after a portfolio). However, Wikipedia isn't indiscriminate. -- Hoary (talk) 14:44, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I would expect that if these contributions were considered important milestones in their career then they would have a place in Wikipedia. The thing is, finding an objective source that says that. Do you think the magazine contributions of TRJ shouldn't be included? -Lopifalko (talk)
If they're discussed somewhere, then they can be included. (If P, then Q. Which of course doesn't mean "If not P, then not Q". Rather, "If not P, then let's think about it".) Excuse my rather pompous response. (For much-deserved light relief, take a look at the prices asked these days for a copy of Russell Roberts' Tony Ray-Jones book.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:59, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No pomposity felt, I like logic. Re: the Russell Roberts book, I know... the current price is a posture, adopted by sellers on Amazon and eBay, fishing. Recent evidence I've seen shows people don't want to pay more than 80 UK Pounds on eBay. For so long that book was one of the few staple icons of high value and high quality photobooks within this similar vein that have persisted for a few years (The Americans, The Last Resort and William Eggleston's Guide being others) so it is a shame to see it become so lacking in availability right at the time of Ray-Jones' big retrospective in England. There are signs that that could happen to Steidl's The Americans, IMO. Incidentally, if you somehow wanted to break anonymity I would be happy to gift you a copy of Only in England: Photographs by Tony Ray-Jones. -Lopifalko (talk)

Leicas aren't so water-resistant

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Parr's first publications, Bad Weather, published in 1982 by Zwemmer, Calderdale Photographs (1984) and A Fair Day: Photographs from the West Coast of Ireland (1984), all featured photographs from mostly northern England, and Ireland, in black-and-white. He used a Leica M3 with a 35 mm lens;[16][12] for some of Bad Weather he also used a flash.

He might have started Bad Weather with a Leica, but I remember reading somewhere (within that book itself, perhaps) that whatever he first tried using was quickly ruined; he soon learned to use either a Nikonos or something whose description can only mean it was a Nikonos. If there isn't a mention of this in the anthology edited by Val Williams then I'll attempt to locate a copy of Bad Weather and look it up there. -- Hoary (talk) 02:22, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This might not be a RS, but here is one cite for the switch to Nikonos: http://www.streetphotographyworkshops.info/2012/10/11/ -- TheMindsEye (talk) 05:18, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ah . . . I'll go digging for Bad Weather. -- Hoary (talk) 09:28, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for pointing this out. I had read somewhere that he used an underwater camera for Bad Weather. I've got lots of points to add regarding the equipment he used and how that intertwined with his subjects, techniques and aesthetics, and this was my first such addition. -Lopifalko (talk)
You're doing well. Keep it up! Meanwhile, I looked in the book itself. Incidentally, its back-cover blurb adds: "... With wry humour, visual deftness and an underwater camera he has captured a country enduring (and sometimes enjoying) the elements...." It's a fine book. -- Hoary (talk) 02:15, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Photograph of Martin Parr by Geoff Howard in 1974

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This great photograph of Martin Parr by Geoff Howard at [1] shows Parr in the context of a social situation with a Leica M3, it looks to be somewhere in Lancashire, or perhaps Hebden Bridge. This would be a valuable addition to this article, but do you suppose we could use it? As an example of how its use might be covered under fair use, the photograph of Ed Ruscha at [2] is justified through "Purpose of use in article (WP:NFCC#8) To support encyclopedic discussion of this work in this article. The illustration is specifically needed to support the following point(s): It shows Edward Ruscha in the context of his prime work (1960's Southern California)". WP:NFCC#8 says "Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." ... added at 11:14, 23 April 2014‎ by Lopifalko

This would be tricky. It shows MP during a period before his best known (and, I think, most celebrated) photography. This is obvious because it's a 35 mm camera; we know (or, ahem, I remember or misremember) that he used a Plaubel Makina for his earliest colour stuff. I remember that Val Williams has commented on the appearance/demeanour of Parr and Meadows in their early years: tall, southern, posh, ambitious, self-confident. If only we had a quotation mentioning his large badges or similar.... It is indeed a wonderful photo and I'd relish an excuse to add a smaller version thereof (though I fear that somebody would insist on cropping it).
Meanwhile, the article has two photos of MP. Each is unflattering in its own way. Do we need both? In the second, MP seems aware of the photographer; and I infer that this is the way he prefers to be photographed, which in turn may tell us something about him. How about putting this photo in the place of the first? -- Hoary (talk) 22:31, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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