Talk:Israeli–Palestinian peace process

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Out of context Rabin quote

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The following quote from Rabin was recently added to the section "Israeli views on the peace process":

I always believed that most of the people want peace and are ready to take a risk for it

This quote belongs in either a hagiographical account, or in a context explaining Rabin's policies towards the peace process. Presented in a quote box, this quote is specifically decontextualized. I propose to remove this quotebox, or move the quote into the body as part of a paragraph which discusses Rabin's policies. DMH223344 (talk) 15:58, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elaboration regarding that demand to recognize Israel as a jewish state

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I would suggest the following amendment. Please change X, which is: "In addition, the Israeli government rejected any possible agreement with Palestine as long as it refuses to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

This is in accordance with the principle of the two-state solution, first proposed in the 1980s ..." To Y, which is: "In addition, the Israeli government rejected any possible agreement with Palestine as long as it refuses to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

Referring to the issue of recognizing the Jewishness of the State of Israel following Netanyahu's "Bar-Ilan Speech," Abu Mazen warned against presenting a condition for recognizing Israel's Jewish character on the part of the Palestinians. He expressed concern over Netanyahu’s approach of setting "obstructive conditions" ("شروط تعجيزية") of this kind, "which have no basis in the sources of peace authority or international decisions. Although we have already recognized the State of Israel, the demand that we recognize it as a Jewish state is a precondition that cannot be accepted." Abu Mazen explained that accepting the demand would fuel the religious dimension of the conflict (in his words, turn it into a "destructive religious conflict") and endanger the future of Arab Israelis. It also contradicts the logic by which Palestinians receive compensation for the refugee situation. In interviews conducted in 2012 and 2013, Abu Mazen explained that the question of the state's Jewishness is not a matter for the Palestinians, as they are indifferent to how the Jews define their state, and that this is a new condition introduced by Israel. Some argue that the demand for Abu Mazen to recognize Israel as a Jewish state was a "ploy" introduced into the negotiations to sabotage them. Conflict researchers Matti Steinberg and Shaul Arieli explain that this is a demand that is not accepted in international relations, as countries do not typically "recognize" the national character of other countries. They add that there was a legitimate concern on the Palestinian side that the demand could be used to discriminate against Arabs who are Israeli citizens, and that it was perceived as a demand intended to humiliate Abbas. Additionally, Steinberg explains that this demand is absent from the peace treaties between Israel and Egypt and Jordan, from the negotiations with Syria, and even from the Abraham Accords. Steinberg further explains that from a historical perspective, this is also the traditional position of the right-wing camp in Israel. He cites, for example, Menachem Begin's words (first Israeli Prime Minister from Likud party) in his first speech in the Knesset as Prime Minister, where he said, "We do not expect anyone to request on our behalf that our right to exist in our ancestral homeland be recognized. The only recognition necessary between us and our neighbors is recognition of sovereignty and the mutual need for peaceful and understanding lives." He also mentions Ze'ev Jabotinsky’s stance in his testimony before the Peel Commission: "I do not believe it is desirable for any state’s constitution to contain special clauses that preemptively guarantee its 'national' character... When I use the term 'Hebrew state,' I mean a community or a stretch of land enjoying a sufficient degree of self-governance... and in which there is a Jewish majority." This is in accordance with the principle of the two-state solution, first proposed in the 1980s ..."

Sources - 3 books [one of them is an article within a book] by 2 prominent researchers: שאול אריאלי "ככה בדיוק קרה? 12 מיתוסים ישראלים על הסכסוך הישראלי-פלסטיני", ספרי עליית הגג וידיעות ספרים, 2021


מתי שטיינברג ב"על העיוורון: התביעה להכרה ביהודיותה של המדינה כמקרה-מבחן", מתוך 25 שנה לתהליך אוסלו; ציון דרך בניסיונות ליישוב הסכסוך הישראלי-פלסטיני כרמל ירושלים (אפרים לביא, יעל רונן והנרי פישמן עורכים) בעמ' 401-402.


Matti Steinberg, In Search of Modern Palestinian Nationhood The Moshe Dayan Center, Tel-Aviv University (2016) --Amir Segev Sarusi (talk) 14:34, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done, It is an unclear edit request that would also require consensus of EC editors. Selfstudier (talk) 15:26, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed new section on books

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Since there are a number of books on the subject for further reference, I would suggest adding the following section:

A Partial List of Books on the Israel-Palestine history and the Israel-Palestine peace process:

English

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  • Mark Tessler. A History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. Indiana University Press, 2009, ISBN-13: 978-0253220707
  • William B. Quandt. The Peace Process: From Breakthrough to Breakdown. Brookings Institution Press, 2005, ISBN-13: 978-0520246317
  • Sami Adwan, Dan Bar-On, and Eyal Naveh (editors). Side by Side: Parallel Histories of Israel-Palestine. New Press, 2012, ISBN-13: 978-1595586834
  • Avi Shlaim. The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World. Norton, 2001, ISBN-13: 978-0393321128


  • Dennis Ross. Doomed to Succeed: The U.S.–Israel Relationship from Truman to Obama. Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2015.
  • Benny Morris. Righteous Victims: A History of the Zionist-Arab Conflict, 1881–1999. Knopf, 1999.
  • Nathan Thrall. The Only Language They Understand: Forcing Compromise in Israel and Palestine. Metropolitan Books, 2017.

Hebrew

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  • אפרים קארש. תהליך השלום: הניסיונות לכונן שלום בין ישראל לעולם הערבי (The Peace Process: Attempts to Establish Peace between Israel and the Arab World). Hebrew Edition.
  • תום שגב. מדינה בדרך (A State in the Making). Hebrew Edition.
  • אבי שליים. הקיר הברזל (The Iron Wall). Hebrew Edition.

Arabic

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  • رشيد الخالدي. تاريخ فلسطين الحديث: من العهد العثماني إلى القرن الحادي والعشرين (The Modern History of Palestine: From the Ottoman Period to the 21st Century). Arabic Edition.
  • أفي شليم. السلام المراوغ: إسرائيل والعرب (The Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs). Arabic Edition.
  • مهدي عبد الهادي. الصراع العربي الإسرائيلي: مئة سؤال وجواب (The Arab-Israeli Conflict: 100 Questions and Answers). Arabic Edition.
  • تشارلز دي سميث. فلسطين وإسرائيل: تاريخ مختصر للصراع (Palestine and Israel: A Short History of the Conflict). Arabic Edition.

Multilingual

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  • Jack Berriault et al. Israel and Palestine - A Common Historical Narrative. Multilingual Edition (English, Hebrew, Arabic). Israel Academic Press, 2020 ISBN-13: 978-1885881610

Contraverse (talk) 15:24, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Contraverse: Please add them at Bibliography of the Arab–Israeli conflict if they are not already there. Selfstudier (talk) 15:32, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Israeli–Palestinian conflict solutions" listed at Redirects for discussion

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The redirect Israeli–Palestinian conflict solutions has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 March 31 § Israeli–Palestinian conflict solutions until a consensus is reached. Jay 💬 11:24, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 August 2025

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Hey. I am trying to stay within the rules regarding discussing this subject, so I hope the following is an acceptable way to address an issue I noticed while reading the article.

In the paragraphs on

“Oslo (1993-2001)” within the section about the timeline, the following is written:

«Core to the Oslo Accords was the creation of the Palestinian Authority and the security cooperation it would enter into with the Israeli military authorities in what has been described as the "outsourcing" of the occupation to the PA.[5] »

Now the issue I have with this is the “described” part, which seems to be a MOS:WEASEL(attribution) issue to me.

To fix this, ideally specific names of people who have done this “describing” (along with sources for each) should replace the general language used.

Alternatively, or in the meantime, I’d like to suggest that: the template “[by whom?]” or another similar template, added after “described”.


I don’t dispute that people have made this description, and I also don’t mean to agree or disagree with it in this request.

Slomo666 (talk) 14:38, 6 August 2025 (UTC) Slomo666 (talk) 14:38, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the disputed clause because it is redundant to the very next sentence, which is cited more appropriately to its source. --GHcool (talk) 17:12, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much! Slomo666 (talk) 20:36, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also to be clear I did NOT dispute the veracity of the claim that people have said this. Slomo666 (talk) 19:42, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

revert

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editoer reverted: "Chomsky is a well-respected political critic and clearly WP:DUE".

I'm sorry, the editor's personal opinion is irrelevant. This is WP:WEIGHT, Chomsky is a linguist. He is not a foreign and security relations scholar, he is not a statesman, diplomat or politician. Therefore, the editor's personal assessment of the writer (because of his linguistic talent or political views) is not a factor. He should have professional relevance. When it comes to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, almost everyone (at least in relation to Israelis and I assume Palestinians as well) has an opinion.

שמי (2023) (talk) 16:39, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a case of opinion though, he is in fact a notable, widely cited author & respected political critic, having written several books on the matter. He was also properly attributed, so it's clear that it's his personal description on the topic.
Also for the future, if you want a response, I'd suggest pinging @EvansHallBear. Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 17:19, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Butterscotch Beluga, The fact that his critical political opinion is heard does not make him an expert in the field. After all, as I mentioned, he has no expertise in the issue and no involvement. There are many people with expertise (or involvement) with criticism of the Oslo Accords. Their positions are also more mainstream (it is difficult to say that libertarian socialism, Chomsky's worldview, is mainstream) and then it hurts WP:DUE. So why him? שמי (2023) (talk) 18:28, 22 August 2025 (UTC) Topic ban violation Jeppiz (talk) 18:53, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps 'anti-Zionist' should be added as his bias is well known?Halbared (talk) 18:35, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
DONE. --GHcool (talk) 19:04, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]