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New fossil discovered in turkey which states that early apes could have migrated from Europe to Africa Copperbasalt (talk) 05:05, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The link you provided is a press release summarizing Sevim-Erol et al., 2023, which describes Ouranopithecus turkae. I don't think it provides anything useful for this article. Daask (talk) 00:11, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

number of chromosomes in hominid

Hi can you explain to me how the fusion of two chromosomes is dated about 1 million years ago and we put to Lucy the hominid family are hominid 46 or 48 chromosomes 218.215.147.9 (talk) 05:34, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of 2023 Study

The 2023 study "A new ape from Türkiye and the radiation of late Miocene hominines" by David R. Begun and others was recently removed due to WP:UNDUE, yet no actual explanation was given as to why the study or sources related to explaining it were removed. The study is published in Communications Biology, and thoroughly details how hominines may have originated in Europe based off an analysis of Anadoluvius, and which would not be far fetched whatsoever, considering the debated origins of hominines and also the discovery of Graecopithecus. An earlier study from 2010 detailing a new primate titled "New Oligocene primate from Saudi Arabia and the divergence of apes and Old World monkeys", also from Nature, yet this new one is WP:UNDUE? Reaper1945 (talk) 10:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because it's exactly one study that makes a claim totally divergent from universal academic consensus—that is the definition of WP:FRINGE. Lacking any secondary support or follow-up, it should not be given any mention in the article. Remsense ‥ 论 10:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are studies prior to 2023 pointing to hominine origins in Europe or Eurasia, such as Anoiapithecus in 2009,^[1] the 2017 study regarding Graecopithecus,^[2] in 2021 which dates the Trachilos footprints in Crete in Europe to be ever older than previously believed.^[3] The Eurasian theory has been a competing one for quite a while, and has support through the existence of Dryopithecini and the studies listed, considering as well that Charles Darwin acknowledged Dryopithecus as being directly opposed to a hominine origin in Africa.^[4] The only issue is a lack of follow-up, though the study released just in 2023. Reaper1945 (talk) 12:32, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Had already started a dicussion at Talk:Early expansions of hominins out of Africa, @Skllagyook and Generalrelative: inviting to a renewed dispute here.

You had made similar attempts at Talk:Recent African origin of modern humans/Archive 4 which were clearly rejected as FRINGE. Gotitbro (talk) 20:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. I'll just reiterate that I see this as an "Alternative theoretical formulation", which is still FRINGE but less fringey than, say, folks pushing the existence of Bigfoot or the efficacy of homeopathy. It may have a place in the article if and when it is taken up for discussion in mainstream secondary sources. If all we have right now are one or two recent primary studies, we can wait for inclusion until secondary sources take notice. There is, after all, no rush, and our job is not to be a platform for breaking news, scientific or otherwise. Generalrelative (talk) 21:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. Moyà-Solà, Salvador; Alba, David M.; Almécija, Sergio; Casanovas-Vilar, Isaac; Köhler, Meike; De Esteban-Trivigno, Soledad; Robles, Josep M.; Galindo, Jordi; Fortuny, Josep (2009-06-16). "A unique Middle Miocene European hominoid and the origins of the great ape and human clade". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. 106 (24): 9601–9606. doi:10.1073/pnas.0811730106. ISSN 0027-8424. PMC 2701031. PMID 19487676.
2. Fuss, Jochen; Spassov, Nikolai; Begun, David R.; Böhme, Madelaine (2017-05-22). "Potential hominin affinities of Graecopithecus from the Late Miocene of Europe". PLoS ONE. 12 (5): e0177127. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0177127. ISSN 1932-6203. PMC 5439669. PMID 28531170.
3. Kirscher, Uwe; El Atfy, Haytham; Gärtner, Andreas; Dallanave, Edoardo; Munz, Philipp; Niedźwiedzki, Grzegorz; Athanassiou, Athanassios; Fassoulas, Charalampos; Linnemann, Ulf; Hofmann, Mandy; Bennett, Matthew; Ahlberg, Per Erik; Böhme, Madelaine (2021-10-11). "Age constraints for the Trachilos footprints from Crete". Scientific Reports. 11: 19427. doi:10.1038/s41598-021-98618-0. ISSN 2045-2322. PMC 8505496. PMID 34635686.
4. Begun, David R.; Nargolwalla, Mariam C.; Kordos, László (2012). "European Miocene Hominids and the Origin of the African Ape and Human Clade". Evolutionary Anthropology: Issues, News, and Reviews. 21 (1): 10–23. doi:10.1002/evan.20329. ISSN 1060-1538.

Driveby compliment

My kids (the 8yo and the 5yo) are in the "who was the first human?" "are we cavemen?" phase of questioning. The lede and illustrations of this got me off to a start answering. TY. jengod (talk) 23:42, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Presentation on human evolution

Presentation on human evolution 2409:40C2:103D:E2C6:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 17:11, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's not clear what that contribution is intended to be. Is it a request of some kind? Please clarify. HiLo48 (talk) 00:15, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a contribution, it is someone misusing a talk page as a search engine or ChatGPT. These comments, of which there are hundreds every day, should be deleted per talk page guidelines and not responded to, otherwise they will clog the page. Gnomingstuff (talk) 19:20, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Concern about the Behavior modernity section

There is a lot of hidden racism that is indirectly implied by stating that “anatomically modern human behavior” (full human intelligence)originating originates from the people from “The Great Leap Forward” 50-60,000 years ago. Which, the descendants from “The Great Leap Forward” are only non Africans. Implying that Africans and African descendant people don’t have full human intelligence. The idea that different races of people have different levels of intelligence has been debunked and is now rightfully seen as pseudoscience and all suggestions that “The Great Leap Forward” was the onset of full human intelligence should be removed. 2601:247:4482:9BA0:A1D8:538:1B98:946D (talk) 00:52, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are reading a lot into Human evolution#Transition to behavioral modernity which is not actually present. Please quote what wording you think is a problem. Who says only non Africans are descendants? I don't see it in the article. Is the reference in doubt? Johnuniq (talk) 03:49, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]