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This article was nominated for deletion on 2 January 2017. The result of the discussion was speedy keep.

Remove the thing in the lede that the existence of Muhammad is established.

Some serious historians disagree. Even if their views are fringe, the fact that there is some dispute should be stated.

Jasper0333 (talk)

Historicity of Qur'an

The information regarding the historicity of the Qur'an places a disproportionate amount of doubt on the use of the Qur'an as an historical source. For example, Michael Cook and Patricia Crone, two well known members of the Revisionist School of Islamic Studies, are used to argue for doubting the Qur'an as an historical source, yet neither of those two scholars hold those same views anymore (as my citations show). Crone has since died, but both of them have affirmed, more recently, that there isn't any significant level of doubt as to the Qur'an's authenticity in the historical community. Crone's online article titled "What do we actually know about Mohammed," (which can be found on OpenDemocracy.net) shows this fairly clearly as she summarizes the general state of Islamic Studies. The original writing also included few quotes of scholars discussing the general consensus on the Qur'an and instead selects individual opinions of a few scholars and uses them to portray the scholarly community as being much more divided on the issue of the historicity of the Qur'an than it really is.Renegade4dk (talk) 22:01, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This page should be locked

Christian and Muslims will inherently argue and spam changed to an article like this same as the jesus one… the public shouldn’t be allowed to edit this page …. It should be locked like all the others…? 109.181.2.7 (talk) 19:06, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Quotations

There are many quotations where it source is unclear because there are two or more citations following the quote. Further I think the author of the quote should be also named right after the quote. Ike9898 (talk) 19:03, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Any quote in particular? Most seem to be one source per quote. It is possible both sources have the same quote. Ramos1990 (talk) 20:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What's the general consensus?

there are general consensus among scholars beyond just "Prophet Muhammad existing". Why is it not brought up here? Why are the fringe views of a very few tiny minority of people is put at the forefront, but not the general consensus? This seems like a weird thing tbh GrandSultanMaeltheGreat (talk) 08:23, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]