Talk:Coley's toxins

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Is it me, or does this violate the NPOV rule? Also is "Coley's Toxins are known and thus not patentable" even correct? Even if it was, the article seems to go say that there were studies, and there are companies trying to make and sell the mixture. It's easy to make soap, but there's still companies that make millions off of it. 69.207.34.79 21:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems MBVax has a patent on their version of the toxins.V.B. (talk) 07:14, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This topic needs to be re-addressed.

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Article does not have neutral point of view

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Folks, I just ran into this article while researching viruses. This article does not appear to be very creditable due to the inflammatory and extreme tone being used. In addition, the links appear to be selected to support the bias of the article. Several of the links, including the one to the UK Cancer agency, are not even valid. - Dr. John Norton. (Google my name and "Detroit" to learn more about me). 24.15.48.89 (talk) 23:35, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Their use in the late nineteenth and early 20th centuries represented a precursor to modern immunotherapy, although at that time their mechanism of action was not completely understood.[4]

1992 commentary

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I agree with the above, I proposed some better references showing more positive and negative arguments and a bit of an improved structure I edited the article this way, but someone started an edit war by always restoring it to the old version...my version is below. Any comments? Sincerely, dr. F Ceyssens.

Efficacy

According to a 1992 Nature article, pre-1940 data of Coley's own work shows effectiveness against soft-tissue sarcomas (>50% survival rate of at least 5 years in a group of 104 patients) but could not show evidence of effectiveness against other cancer types due to the limited size of those patient groups [5]

According to Cancer Research UK, "available scientific evidence does not currently support claims that Coley's toxins can treat or prevent cancer".[6] People with cancer who take Coley's toxins alongside conventional cancer treatments, or who use it as a substitute for those treatments, risk seriously harming their health, as they might be guided away from more up-to-date, scientifically established therapies.[6] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vanbruystelghem (talkcontribs) 14:25, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1992 is out-of-date given there is more recent sourcing, and old weak sources (this is just a commentary piece) cannot be used to undercut more recent knowledge. Please see WP:MEDRS for guidelines on medical sourcing. Bon courage (talk) 14:48, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article's body is not a substitute for the lead, the latter should be a summary of the body's important points. Efficacy is an important point to summarize there. —PaleoNeonate08:35, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]