Talk:Abbas ibn Ali

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Shia and Sunni templates

User:cyberpower678: There is no need for adding Shia-Sunni templates and the Shia portal on this article, as he was not a Shia nor a Sunni and has not been mentioned in the portal nor in the templates at all, please take a look on it.

103.169.65.71 (talk) 04:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There might be a good case here for removing the Sunni box from this page. Abbas is a key figure in Shia Islam and the Shia box should stay. Albertatiran (talk) 09:06, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User:Albertatiran: The article is not mentioned in the Shia template at all, and nor in the portal, how could you say that? Sunni scholars, including Muhammad Ali Mirza known for praising Abbas ibn Ali, The Sunni Muslim saint Qutb Shah was also the descendant of Abbas Alemdar. your claim is not evident at all. 103.169.65.71 (talk) 11:22, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's actually mentioned in the Shia portal under Subcategories-->Shia Islam-->Battle of Karbala-->People killed at the Battle of Karbala. In any case, does Wikipedia limit the use of a portal or template to the articles listed there? I doubt that's the case. Albertatiran (talk) 18:35, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why am I being pinged here? —CYBERPOWER (Around) 14:02, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! You're interested in adding Shia portal and the templates, but i would suggest adding Islam portal, then.103.169.65.71 (talk) 03:23, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User:cyberpower678: Because, i see you are involved in the talk page. So i thought you would help. 103.169.65.71 (talk) 03:23, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know where you see that, but I'm not. —CYBERPOWER (Message) 03:25, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Recent disruptive edits from IP address 103.169.65.150

This recent edit removed reliably-sourced content from the article claiming that it didn't appear in the source. This claim is false and this edit will be reverted. Here is the text from the source:

Furthermore, ʿAlī b. Muḥammad Ṣāḥib al-Zanj, who started the Zanjī rebellion in Bahrain and Iraq in the middle of the 3rd/9th century, claimed to be descended from al-ʿAbbās b. ʿAlī (see al-Ṭabarī, 9/410).

Another edit changed 'the first Shia Imam' to 'first imam in Shia doctrine' with an anti-Shia edit summary. It's difficult to see how this edit improves the article. This too will be reverted, especially because of its edit summary. I'll wait a little bit for a response here before restoring the article to its earlier version. Note that the alternative to discussion and consensus on the talk page is having the IP address reported and blocked temporarily or permanently if the edit war resumes. Albertatiran (talk) 07:36, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, if one agree with you, but, Ali ibn Muhammmad Sahib al-Zanj during his time in Baghdad, also claimed descent from Zayd ibn Ali, but later he claimed descent from Al-Abbas ibn Ali. Plus, my changing of 'first Shia imam' to 'first imam in Shia doctrine' is not anti-Shia at all. But i am trying to make the article in accordance with Wikipedia policies, which don't subscribe to the belief based stuffs, also this introduction is against the Wikipedia policy of WP:NPOV. 103.169.65.150 (talk) 14:56, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've restored the claim of Ali ibn Muhammad Sahib al-Zanj. But, further, I've added that this claim has been rejected by many historians. 103.169.65.150 (talk) 15:08, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I spot-checked one of the new references and it looks ok. Thank you for that. Albertatiran (talk) 08:24, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The birth and death dates are false

The birth date is given on May 15, 647. Well, this corresponds to Sha'ban 1, 26 A.H in Islamic calendar. But Abbas was born on Sha'ban 4 of that year. So his birth date should be May 18, 647. The death date also is given on October 10, 680. This corresponds to Muharram 7, 61. But Abbas and the rest of Hussein ibn Ali's troops were killed on Muharram 10, 61. So the true death date is October 13, 680. Aminabzz (talk) 01:02, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For both dates the article follows reliable sources. Also, please see the date in Battle of Karbala. Hope this helps. Albertatiran (talk) 11:18, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was wrong. I didn't take the difference between Julian and Gregotian calendars into account. Thank you for your reply. Aminabzz (talk) 16:56, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Little changes

Hey guys, as a Shia muslim, who visited Karbala each year, i know that the 7th day of muharram is the mourning day for abbas (3). Though i don’t have official sources for it. Could someone help out? Mortajaboi (talk) 22:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification: Compliance with user-generated image guidelines

Thank you @Albertatiran for highlighting concerns. I’d like to clarify the basis for including the image and respectfully request consideration for re-inclusion:

1. Original, user-created, and freely licensed: This image is a manually illustrated vector work (not generated by AI), created by the contributor and released under a compatible free license (e.g., CC BY-SA), in line with Wikipedia:Image use policy and Wikipedia:Uploading images.
2. Non-AI origin: The image was not produced using generative AI tools and is the result of direct human authorship.
3. Culturally relevant visual content: The image provides visual representation aligned with significant Shia Islamic symbolism regarding Abbas ibn Ali. Such cultural depictions hold meaning for millions of adherents and align with Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images guidelines, which support culturally grounded perspectives when accurately contextualized.
4. Respect for religious traditions: The faceless portrayal is a deliberate artistic decision rooted in Shia norms of religious reverence, where fully detailed depictions of holy persons are often avoided. This is not a deficiency but a symbolic device common in Shia iconography.

Proposed caption for restored image

[[File:Abbas ibn Ali.png|thumb|Faceless symbolic portrait of Abbas ibn Ali, in accordance with Shia visual tradition (Artwork by Muntadher Saleh, CC BY-SA).]]

This image complies with existing Wikipedia image use and cultural representation guidelines. Pending a consensus, I kindly request the image remain visible or be restored for ongoing discussion. I remain available to provide clarification or supporting material as needed.